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Wat u all think abt the mini sub 8 ?3SPRINTER
Jun 1, 2002 3:06 AM
Me thinkin of getting competing in mostly sprint and int. dist tris.

Dunno whether short or long aerbars........thinkin of getting the 3ttt minisub8....any reviews?
re: Races?sctri
Jun 1, 2002 5:15 PM
That depends on the level of racing that you will be doing...
Generally speaking, for those distances there is drafting only in the elite catigories, and therefor everyone else uses the best and most comfortable aero postition possible.. GO WITH THE LONG ONES... unless you plan on drafting races

my .02
my different .02SteveO
Jun 3, 2002 3:52 AM
I feel the answer to shrt .vs. long is in the type of bike you ride;

if you ride steep geometry, or standard with a forward seatpost, the long aeros are (usually) best.

If you ride standard geometry, the long aero's will really crimp your waist, which affects breathing in most people... go for the short bars.
Jun 3, 2002 1:55 PM
Thats interesting, I am looking at some new aerobars, and i think i might pick up a cheap pair of short ones to give a shot...
Which do you use?

short or long i mean... (nm)sctri
Jun 3, 2002 1:57 PM
Jun 3, 2002 8:18 PM
Well..thats my qn.....i dunno which to buy u see....mine is a standard road 74.5 seat angle.....i tot the minisub 8 seems cool.....with padding too
Jun 3, 2002 8:34 PM
I thought i had some answers... but now i am wondering too..
whats you expericance steve?
Jun 4, 2002 3:38 AM
I ride a standard geometry (simply because it's what i have, its a beautiful bike, and i cant justify spending $1500 for a handful of races each summer). I used to ride with a forward seatpost and size medium syntace C2's (pretty long bar).

The setup was very nice, though the forward position was not conducive to group rides. So i started using the standard seatpost which was better for group riding. This resulted in far too much 'crimp' when in the aerobars. I never puchased a shorter bar, but DID borrow a profile jammer. I found you can maintain proper hip angles with the shorter bar and standard geometry (though your shoulders will be slightly higher than with forward positioning).

Anyway, i finally decided to place an old saddle on the standard seatpost (group riding), and keep my other saddle on the forward post, in conjunction with the long(er) bars. I just swap the seatpost based upon the type of riding i do.

By borrowing the jammer, i'm CONVINCED the shorter bars would have suited me fine, but my final solution was simply cheaper (free).

If i didnt have a forward seatpost and a spare saddle laying around, without a doubt the shorter aerobar would be the better setup.
Big Slamgregdogg62
Jun 4, 2002 6:46 AM
Check out John Cobbs website. He started manufacturing an aero bar for use with "big Slam" position that he created. He is an advisor for Lance in his time trial position and one of the top experts on bicycle aerodynmics. The bars look really nice and are designed for use with a laid back geometry.
if i recallSteveO
Jun 4, 2002 8:17 AM
those bars are merely slightly-modifed profile jammers (the bars i've used). The jammers were so adjustable, i cant imagine the what the benfit of the modification would be (admittingly, i didnt refresh myself on that site, but i've been there before). Id save the $$ and get the jammers.

I see the big slam simply as de-evolutionized aero-positioning (not to mean its not effective). Pros such as karen smyers and Wendy ingrahm (not to mention toooons of agegroupers) have been 'big slamming' long before there was such a term. They simply didnt have wind-tunnels and computer models to describe their natural position.

Noonetheless, a worthwile site to visit, if i recall.
re: Wat u all think abt the mini sub 8 ?brider
Jun 4, 2002 10:42 AM
Not familiar with the particular bars you're talking about, but they look like a shorter version of the old Scott Lemond clip-on (second generation). Might work okay, but it doesn't look like they're length-adjustable (I may be wrong on this).

For just a few races a year it's probably not worth it to really modify your position on the bike in regards to seat angle. Just stay with what you ride.

As for aero bars, go for shortie clip-ons. What I've done is modify a set of the Split Seconds (Profile) by using a hacksaw and file and shorten up the extensions. I like the pads being about mid-forearm myself, some poeple don't like that. Any way, I've hacked off about 1-1/2 inch from the extension, and it's still not quite short enough. I need to take about another 1/2 - 3/4 inch off the extensions, and also the mounting tubes that the extensions slide onto. I may also need to cut back the bolt (use a Dremel tool with a cutting wheel for this one, not the hacksaw). I got the bars at Performance on the clearance rack for $25, but the mounting brackets were stripped. A quick e-mail to Profile and I got new mounting brackets, and I'm off to the races.
re: Wat u all think abt the mini sub 8 ?kong
Jul 5, 2002 11:07 AM
I have a standard road bike and use a pair of mini sub-8. I think they are excellent - light weight, good looks, well built and cheap too! I live in the UK and I got them for £50 which is good when you compare it to Profile Areolite which are £90!!! I think they are designed with road bikes in mind longer bars stretch my body too much and I lose power. The only downside is that puting them on is quite fiddly.