|No Ullrich at Vuelta||Dwayne Barry|
Aug 18, 2003 3:56 AM
|Looks like it's going to be a wide open race then. Probably start with 10-15 guys who have a real shot at the podium. Should make for some interesting racing.|
|No Pantani either?||Spoiler|
Aug 18, 2003 12:07 PM
|If he had any interest in racing seriously, he'd be in. He's been healthy, had plenty of rest, had plenty of time to train, has a team dedicated to him, has the chance to duck Jan and Lance, and he could look forward to a mountainous Vuelta.
For reliabilty and motivation, this clown makes Vandenbrouke look like Udo Bolts.
|PANTANI is in Rehab||atpjunkie|
Aug 18, 2003 6:23 PM
|for drug and alcohol problems.
methinks him done
|I don't think Mercatone Uno was ever...||Dwayne Barry|
Aug 19, 2003 4:45 AM
|even considered. In fact, have they even raced since the Giro?|
|I haven't heard a peep.||Spoiler|
Aug 19, 2003 12:19 PM
|I've never seen a team disappear from the face of the planet like them. A bike team is first and foremost about publicity. Is a brave showing in a couple of Giro stages enough to sustain a team for two entire seasons?
There's got to be an interesting story behind how or why they continue to survive. They've been in the sport for longer than most, so they should know what they're doing.
|I haven't heard a peep.||atpjunkie|
Aug 19, 2003 2:40 PM
|yes, quite strange. equally strange in the past 2 years switching bike sponsors. From Bianchi to Wilier to Carrera, a story there as well, maybe not paying bills or something|
|They're racing now...||Dwayne Barry|
Aug 20, 2003 6:47 AM
|just saw some of their riders in the classification of the Valle Varessi race from yesterday.|
|Pantani needs to have anyone to look over him.||Spoiler|
Aug 20, 2003 2:51 PM
|Even though he is a grown man, and a star, he should have someone who can keep him on track, encourage him, discipline him, or at least be a shoulder to lean on.
I know there are some people who won't accept help, and you hear "You've got to help yourself." But what's worse, admitting you need help, or turning into a joke. Pro cycling isn't your normal job. It can break down the strongest of people.
|Pantani needs the boot||atpjunkie|
Aug 20, 2003 5:02 PM
|he should have been suspended a couple of busts ago. This is what happens when you coddle stars of any sport. He doesn't need anyone to look after him. Cycling has been looking after him since the first bust and it's gone nowhere but downhill. Let him lose everything, fer chrissakes he's paid close to or over a million dollars a year to ride a freaking bike and stay clean. spoiled, irresponsible atheletes are that way as they are given too many chances by their sport. Yes, pro cycling isn't a normal job, let him get a normal job and realize how good he had it.
ain't feeling sorry for any of them, I work hard for a living.
and I'm especially not feeling sorry for some guy who refers to himself in the 3rd person. "Pantani can beat Lance, Pantani can win the Giro" How about Pantani get a real freaking job, maybe in a factory.
|in my best 3rd person||atpjunkie|
Aug 26, 2003 6:25 PM
|"Panatani is the ROBERT DOWNEY Jr. of cycling"|
|it is easy to bash when the man is down||cyclopathic|
Aug 27, 2003 10:18 AM
|Marco is buffoone, but it doesn't do you any good to bash him, esp now. At least he is trying for Christ sake. Let it go Junkie
|it's not just him||atpjunkie|
Aug 27, 2003 11:10 AM
|in every pro sport the sytems are just enabling this behavior and if you notice rarely do any 'recover' they just tend to keep slipping. Addicts of all ilk need to hit bottom before recovering and getting 'better'. There's no better bottom than losing everything. If you keep giving chances, they keep f'ing up. Athletes will also see no need to modify behavior if there is no penalty for such behavior other than a slap on the wrist. Look at how the NFL, NBA etc... fail in this country. As he's shown, the way the UCI has handled his case has not made him clean up. This started in 1999 and I'm sure he was doped for the 1998 Double. So it's 4 years and he's still a 'problem', he's now a liability to himself and cycling in general. The sport still hasn't recovered from his, Garzelli's and the Festina affair, if the UCI wants to preserve cycling they should toughen up. We'll see how they deal with Rumsas. They'll feel sorry as he's the sole breadwinner and reinstate, that's my guess, hopefully no one will hire him.|
|I could have sworn...||BAi9302010|
Aug 30, 2003 2:51 PM
|that I read that Pantani was planning on starting the Vuelta and had left rehab a while ago. Also, Pantani has changed his whole image this season. Unlike 2001 and 2002 he hasn't spoken out or trash talked at all and he focused completely on training. The main problem for him are the lingering drug investigations on him from the 2001 Giro when they found an empty insulin syringe in the dump at the hotel where he was staying and linked it to him, whether it was actually his or not. Because of all of this pressure he finally checked himself into rehab earlier this season for a month or so. The Italian cycling federation really needs to either punish him or leave him alone because all of these investigations and accusations would be enough to drive anyone insane.|
Sep 2, 2003 4:15 PM
|let's see...he said he'd win the Giro, he'd beat Lance in the Tour and that he was the only man who could beat Lance in the Tour. If that is a change in image than I really dig the new Marco. YGTFKM
pressure........let's see, get paid 6 plus figures to ride a bike after being busted numerous times. What f'ing real pressure is he under? Trying to do straight what he could only do doped, compete at the top level. I'm sorry I'm just tired of hearing about all the pressure pro athletes are under. Talk to a single mom trying to raise a family right in this age on a salary of 32K, that's pressure. Getting paid duckets to ride a bike 6 hours a day to race a handful of times a year sounds like a dream.