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Everyone speaks of Lance, Jan, Tylor, Beloki, but how aboutcyclopathic
Aug 5, 2003 5:44 AM

won Paris-Nice twice, Amstel Gold, Tour de Suisse, 3rd in tour. 3rd in Olympic road race (finished 2nd but relegated by Telecom). Kinda start wonder what he would have done if he didn't spend years riding for Jan leading out Eric. Jan living Telecom is probably the best thing happen to him. Do you think he'd be out racing at the same level next year, or this is one year flick?
There is talk of Vino out there, too...jtferraro
Aug 5, 2003 6:50 AM
but you're right - lately it's been of Lance, Jan, Beloki, and Tyler. I agree - what a rider and what a tour for Vino! I definitely think he'll be back, racing at the same level, next year. I'm happy for him. He earned his podium spot and I'm glad he had such a successful season, especially after the loss of his friend/teammate, Kivilev.

I like Vino, but my guess is that he will die down in '04.......BIG RING
Aug 5, 2003 11:32 AM
he can only draw so much inspiration from Kivilev before the rigors of Pro cycling start to wear on him. I doubt he will climb like he did in the Tour again. Pure emotion + moderate climbing ability is my guess. We'll soon see.
maybe this is his breakout year.atpjunkie
Aug 5, 2003 6:11 PM
all the palmares may give him the confidence to compete at this level again.we'll see about the post Kivi Vino. I'd say he had the breakout year and he and Tyler have taken riders of the year for me. I wonder what Telekom will do. Cadel Evans, Savoldelli and Botero. Vino deserves the role of #1 honch, I'd cut loose Botero. Between he and Aitor they are the anti-Tyler and Vino. So much talk, so little on the bike.
re: Boterocyclopathic
Aug 6, 2003 4:50 AM
Botero may not have been up for GC this year, but never the less he was very useful domestique. Don't forget he was the one who brought Vino back in race on Tourmalet. He was doing trackstands at the top waiting for Vino, then he closed 1.5min gap to LA/Jan/EE twins group on downhill /Vino is not that good descender/. I doubt Vino'd hold to 3rd if not Botero.

Not sure what Botero's problem was through this tour, didn't he quit after 17th stage? must have been sick. Never the less, it is pretty typical to have not so good year after switching teams /esp going to diff country/, so you can't judge him for one bad season.

I wonder too what Telecom will do. THey certainly have enough talant to compete and place in all major tours. If T-Mobile has vested interest in Italy and Spain, we might see team riding for Savoldelli in Giro and for Botero in Vuelta if not we'll see someone go.
re: Botero agreeatpjunkie
Aug 6, 2003 9:17 AM
was quite useful as a domestique but that isn't what he's paid for. at least he showed tele he wasn't a complete waste of $$. Salvaged a bit by being a helper to Vino. I think T-Mobile should send Savo to Giro and Vino to TdF and use Cadel when he's ready (Vuelta?).
re: Cadelcyclopathic
Aug 7, 2003 11:31 AM
problem is Cadel is assie and Italians and Spaniards love own riders. Botero is closest they got (unless they sign Mayo or Mancebo;)

Second, I doubt Evans will win any major GT. Unlike Lance who warms up to stiff competition he has tendency to crack under pressure. He only wins when he is clearly above, and I don't see that happen.
re: Cadel crackingatpjunkie
Aug 7, 2003 1:28 PM
his only crack was in the Giro where as a rookie and supposed dom. he wound up the race leader. It was sad watching him crack but it was a fine breakthrough performance. I think w/ training and good road coaching/strategy and team work he could do okay. He's done fine in MTB and a Giro like that to start road career shows promise regardless of meltdown.
re: Cadel crackingcyclopathic
Aug 7, 2003 1:38 PM
actually this is reputation he got at MTB circle. I read it in Christoph Sauser interview he was referring to it as well known fact.
Aug 8, 2003 6:44 PM
familiar with it. but didn't Cadel usually get the better of Sauser in MTB races? almost sounds like he's pulling a Lemond. (did I just make a new verb?), I think under good tutelage Cadel could do fine but his quote after the Giro did show some weak mindedness.
Aug 11, 2003 6:17 AM
he said that all times when race was close Evans lost. The quote was made b/f Giro, I think in one of lesser World Cup races more like a side note. Sauser won that race with Cadel finishing second and he said that during the race he was confident he'll win b/c race was close and Evans usually looses close races. It didn't sound like bitter remark of any sort.
I also remember reading a note of that sort from Ned Overend


PS. I hope Cadel makes it big, I just don't believe he has what Tyler does and it will inhibit him IMHO
Aug 12, 2003 1:17 AM
definitely not the man that Tyler is. and thanx for the update, if Ned said it, I gotta believe.
6-7th place next yearCoolhand
Aug 6, 2003 7:30 AM
He got a couple free shots up the road as he wasn't a threat. With Tyler and Beloki coming back healthy next year and along with Jan and Lance, and a surprise or two and it doesn't look like he is a real threat in the Tour.

Good rider though- but when the big dogs went on the hills he got left behind.

Next year's Tour should be outstanding.