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should all Tour riders attend a skills clinic before 2004?(14 posts)

should all Tour riders attend a skills clinic before 2004?DougSloan
Jul 30, 2003 6:57 AM
I've never heard of such crashes. What the heck was going on this year? Any suggestions about what to do about it?

Doug
Kinda reminded me at times of a Cat 5 crit... (nm)James OCLV
Jul 30, 2003 7:11 AM
Kinda reminded me at times of a Cat 5 crit... (nm)CrankE
Jul 30, 2003 9:32 AM
I resemble that remark. ;) nm
Ban Spinacis, they must be causing it, oh, wait... (nm)TJeanloz
Jul 30, 2003 7:25 AM
I don't think there were an abnormal number of crashes this year. We just heard about them more because Americans were more involved in them.
Better run ins to the finish and a lead-out teamMcAndrus
Jul 30, 2003 7:32 AM
I'd say better designed run-ins (fewer corners within, say, 500 meters of the finish) and a true sprinter's team to control the run-ins like the good ol' Saeco Red Train for Mario.

I saw more ten-bike-wide sprints this year then ever before. Heck, I'm even seeing this at our local training crits. Last night in turn three of the bell lap we were five-six guys wide going into the corner where we're usually one-two guys wide. I'm on the far left and when I realized the breadth of this run-in I said to myself, "you have to get out of here, now!" I did, unfortunately by getting forced into the gutter by the guy in front of me when he hit his brakes. I had something a little more graceful in mind.

Now, how do we nominate an official run-in team to control the approach?
Need to pick better roads.MR_GRUMPY
Jul 30, 2003 8:50 AM
When you are going to have 150 guys flying at 40 mph, you don't put a 90 deg turn in the road a few hundred meters from the finish. Pick towns that can have safer finishes.
yes, and no liquid tar on the road nmDougSloan
Jul 30, 2003 8:52 AM
re: ban carbon rimscyclopathic
Jul 30, 2003 9:33 AM
or at least test what the effect of long downhill drag in hot weather would be on tire glue.
With just carbon tubulers or all tubulers? (nm)James OCLV
Jul 30, 2003 9:41 AM
opposite effectDougSloan
Jul 30, 2003 9:49 AM
Actually, carbon rims transfer less heat than aluminum to the glue, according to a direct inquiry I made to Velomax about the Lew carbon rims. As proof, they said you can dip carbon rims in boiling water, then immediately hold them in hour hand after.

Now, that heat must go somewhere, so much of it goes back through the brake pads and calipers.

Doug
yes, and no liquid tar on the road nmNazz44
Jul 30, 2003 9:42 AM
They could use restrictor plates like in NASCAR. Make the riders breath thru a narrow little pipe, slightly bigger in diameter than a drinking straw. That would slow the speeds down and lessen the chance of a pile-up.
good ideaDougSloan
Jul 30, 2003 9:46 AM
If we are really going to emulate NASCAR, then we also need to add ballast to every bike so that everyone, bike plus rider, weighs the same. Wait, but then you need the same size motors, too. Hmm. May have to cut one of Lance's legs off, or give everyone else EPO.

To avoid corner problems, maybe all stages should be on a superspeedway like Daytona.

Doug
or go to some nice, wide Goodyears for better traction (nm)newridr
Jul 30, 2003 10:32 AM
Don't have a time trial in the rainCHRoadie
Jul 30, 2003 12:44 PM
30-40 individual crashes on that alone, and most guys weren't even going all out. The riders with no shot at the GC (almost everybody by that stage) just wanted to get it over with but still make the time limit.