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An unspoken tactic, agree or disagree. I say hell yeah!(9 posts)

An unspoken tactic, agree or disagree. I say hell yeah!Canidraftyou
Jul 27, 2003 12:19 PM
I am sure it was not ever spoken on in public, but I would have to say that Lance and team had a tactical mind set when dealing with Jan in the rain.

They knew Jan would have to push very hard to make up time, and that Lance only had to keep it close. Jan is not known for his bike handling skills and he is a large framed cyclist. Even if Jan applied his brakes prior and prep his turns and use a perfect apex, his body would still bring too much weight into the turn (top heavy). I think Lance and team knew Jan was no way going to loose the Tour in the rain. It was said too many times Lance was glad of the rain. Reason, they knew it would place Jan into check! Or casue him to put the bike down in the rain.

What about that other American Cyclist (Tyler), GREAT FINISH!

Peace out,
Correcting my typo's, because i know others will.Canidraftyou
Jul 27, 2003 4:22 PM
I think Lance and team knew He (LA) wasn't going to loose the Tour in the rain. It's been said too many times, Lance was glad of the rain.

I think you all get the point.
Tactic? What tactic?downunderracer
Jul 27, 2003 7:50 PM
So the tactic was to make it rain?
Does this prove that God is a Texan?
If you watched Sunday even, Carmichael even said it.Canidraftyou
Jul 27, 2003 10:39 PM
Apporx. 18 hours after my post, C. Carmichael even said it during Sundays pre-race show. It was said, that Lance was going into the race knowing Jan had to push to over come the time difference, and that if it rained, it would be advanged Lance. Jan was down 6 seconds at the time of the crash during the TT. Lance even said, he sat up after he heard Jan crashed out.

This was talked about, in the team meeting. If they approached the possibility and talked about it. It was a tactical approach in Lances mind. My guess is the meeting took place before the race, could be wrong...NOT! So i guess that would make it a tactic/plan/race approach...what ever the hell you want to call it.

I dont know about the last question, but i think most can agree "The Devil is from downunder."(me)

Peace out
Correcting typo's (that's typos): it's lose, not loose. nm ;-)Brooks
Jul 28, 2003 8:22 AM
re: An unspoken tactic, agree or disagree: what about legsbiggearlover
Jul 28, 2003 2:57 AM
What struck me first in the TT, after about 10 minutes, was that Jan did not have this supremacy glowing off him that he had in the other TT. In other words, he did not have the same legs. To underline that point: Millar would have won anyway (falls aside). Of course the tailwind was a factor too.

You can work on your tactics all you want, if your opponent is flying, there's nothing you can do.

I say, from the start it was an uphill, almost desperate struggle for Jan; good effort, not enough.
What made you think he was different?spookyload
Jul 28, 2003 6:52 AM
Could it possible be the fact he was shaking at the start house? And I think you are wrong. Jan would have taken Millar had it not been raining. He only lost by 24 seconds, and you can chock most of that time up to getting back on his bike after the fall, and reaccelerating. Lance too lost to millar by 14", but he admitted to sitting up after the crash and just maintaining his lead. Had it not been for the rain, LA and JU would have crushed millar, and more importantly Greg LeMond's speed record. I truely wish that had fallen. I would once and for all like to see his name washed from tour records.
What made you think he was different?biggearlover
Jul 28, 2003 7:24 AM
Guees you're right; almost. Jan was different from the rest in the first TT; no argument there. And yes, he was shaking at the start, that was the first clue he would be good not super. Millar took a fall too, it seems, although we didn't get the pics.
All in all I'd say the tailwind and the wet was deciding, the first 4 very equal in performance.

What about Lemonds record? Something fishy there?
Lemonds record, good dope and a tailwind!Canidraftyou
Jul 28, 2003 6:36 PM