|Graph of Lance VS Jan TT times......||abicirider|
Jul 25, 2003 11:23 AM
|Kinda of a neat little graph showing TT results time differences between Lance and Jan during last few TDF's
Be safe Out On The Roads!!!!!
|Very cool... I'm actually surprised that LA did as well as he||James OCLV|
Jul 25, 2003 11:32 AM
|did considering the level of dehydration that he experienced. I've read (don't remember where) that even slight dehydration can cause a power reduction of ~10%. At LA's & JU's level, that's huge! So, if LA is truly "all systems go", he should destroy Jan...
This is partially why I don't think that LA's dehydration was as sever as what was reported, and why I think it's going to be way too close to call...
Jul 25, 2003 12:43 PM
|anyway you look at it, "all systems go" for Armstrong during this tour, even on his good days, has not been what it was in the last 4. So even if he's 100% tomorrow it's doubtful that 100% is what it has been in the past. Ullrich on the other hand has never been 100% like he was in '97, he's always come into the tour overweight or coming back from injury, so this year we may be seeing Ullrich as close to his '97 form (when I believe he won a TT by the largest margin in tour history) as ever although the pre-tour races suggest he wasn't quite there.
So, it's hard to draw too much from the previous tours as to what's going to happen tomorrow between the two of them. I would say it's a toss up between who will win the the TT based on their form during this year's tour, but eventhough I'd love to see Ullrich win the GC my head tells me there's no way he can take 66 seconds from Armstrong.
|what about the 1990 olympic TT tho?||tarwheel|
Jul 25, 2003 12:24 PM
|I think Jan whupped Lance and everyone else in the TT at the last Olympics, but I don't know what the time differential was.|
Jul 25, 2003 12:32 PM
|I looked it up, and Ekimov won the gold in the 1990 Olympcs TT, with a time of 57:40. Ullrich won the silver with a time 8 seconds slower, and Armstrong the bronze with a time 34 seconds slower. So in the Olympics TT, Jan was 26 seconds faster than Lance.|
Jul 25, 2003 12:34 PM
|Ekimov went early in the day before the winds picked up and almost certainly won because of this factor. Whereas, Ullrich and Armstrong went at pretty much the same time later in the day.|
Jul 25, 2003 12:38 PM
|There were no Olympic games in 1990...|
|special olympics?? nm||african|
Jul 25, 2003 12:41 PM
|Yes, 2000 Olympics in Sydney (nm)||Dwayne Barry|
Jul 25, 2003 12:45 PM
|Not to defend Lance, well, okay, to defend Lance...||noveread|
Jul 25, 2003 12:49 PM
|You have to remember that Lance cracked some vertebrae in a training accident not too long before the Olympics. I am pretty sure this affected his training.
We know Jan is capable of beating Lance in a TT in this TdF. The question that really matters is has Lance recovered enough to beat Jan in a TT in this TdF? We know he has recovered enough to beat him in the mountains. Tomorrow we will know if he has recovered enough for the TT.
The debate concerning tomorrow's TT has centered around past performances in past tours. I find that odd considering how the remainder of the TdF discussion has revolved around how this has been such a DIFFERENT Tour for Lance than the past four.
The Empty Wrapper
|Weather/temp/wind will all be the deciding factors... nm||spyderman|
Jul 25, 2003 11:26 PM
|Obviously we need more statistics ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 25, 2003 2:07 PM
|One more TT should suffice to tell which one of them will be faster Saturday.|
|pure zen... nm||seyboro|
Jul 25, 2003 4:19 PM
|re: Graph of Lance VS Jan TT times......||Andrew|
Jul 25, 2003 6:34 PM
|This message is a reply to all messages above me. We can all speculate as much as we want from previous tours and the stages this year. The fact is that only the riders know how strong they are right now. We can guess away, but noone will know untill the ride is over tomorrow.
I will definately be watching it live tomorrow and I will be thankfull that CBS is not covering the stage.