Jul 23, 2003 7:36 PM
|Hamilton is tough for sure, but this is what the Dr. wrote:
"Tour de France race doctor Dr. Gerard Porte confirmed that Hamilton had not been faking it, saying that "Hamilton has some scarring where he broke his collarbone, and there was a small new fracture but only a crack. Luckily for (Hamilton), his collarbone remained aligned and that he can continue in the Tour. The morning of Stage 2, Hamilton told me he would start the stage but would abandon if he couldn't continue. We saw Hamilton do a good team time trial, make it over the Alps when he couldn't even get out of the saddle. Since then, Hamilton was able to race in the Tour De France and his bravery has been extraordinary."
I do agree that he is nails for going on, but don't get angry for me saying the guy didn't exactly lose a leg.
|To stay in the race is no big deal...||myette10|
Jul 23, 2003 7:49 PM
|...as you suggest, but to contend on stage after stage and sit in the top 6 with 4 days left? That is where the bravery comes in. He could coast along at the tail of the groupetta (like some entire teams are doing (JDLT, Kelme, BLB)) but he's up there slingin' it with the cream of the GC. He's the poo, take a whiff.|
|re: Tough sure...but||hawayyan1|
Jul 23, 2003 8:38 PM
|I do realize that. But I ride Pro Downhill, (please don't yell or call me names, I'm trying to understand the fun/thrill in this whole road thing) and I have broken my collarbone several times. After that I couldn't even reach for the shifter in my car for about three weeks. I tried to get on a road bike for just some spinning and it just wasn't happening. If you are able to spin as smooth as them, is it easier on your shoulders? Seems you'd still have to yank on your handlebars some, wouldn't you?|
|Downhill, now there is bravery...||myette10|
Jul 24, 2003 3:20 AM
|...but your experience supports my position. You had a hard time driving and riding while exerting probably very little effort. Having good pedaling form helps in smothing things out all around but both TT and climbing put more strain on the upperbody. I guess you could argue that his injury isn't that bad but I look at others in that race who abandon for no good reason and he's out on a break trying to climb up a few spots on GC with 4 stages to go? Gutsy.
As far as finding the thrill, try a few competitive group rides. By competitive I don't mean pro level, but just a bunch of people who want to try and beat eachother on hills and to the town line sprints. Two years ago I used to laugh at roadies. I rode off road only and only when I was challenged to try a triathlon did I borrow a bike for a ride. I have since sold off my three mtn bikes because I know I won't use them. There is also a heck of a lot less cleaning after each ride.
|Downhill, now there is bravery...||hawayyan1|
Jul 24, 2003 3:34 AM
|Are you kidding, my lungs are blowing out my a$$ after a 5-7 min downhill -w- no pedaling at all!! I could never do a group road ride with any roadie, I believe. I've just come off my bike soooo hard before, so I just couldn't imagine riding with a broken colarbone. But the effort they put into the gut wrenching work of an all day stage race, they can probably handle a little shoulder pain. I just knew how I felt.|
|Downhill, now there is bravery...||CrankE|
Jul 24, 2003 5:31 AM
|You've probably never broken your collar bone have you? You can't f'ing move the thing without extreme pain. And just 'cause he's got pain killers doesn't mean his body isn't absolutely reeling from the trauma.
The guy has two pins in his shoulder due to two breaks. That means surgery overnight - and he's never missed a start. If you can do that, you're a better man than I.
I've had minor surgery and didn't want to stand up for three days - and he rides the next morning? Good God.
He's climbed the Alps, TT'd and WON a stage riding the Pyrenees? With two breaks and a new one developing? And with a good final TT he might finish top 5.
Granted - it may not be the other-worldly, impossible feet some have made it out to be - but to try and take anything away from him is just wrong.
Most of us couldn't do what he's done completely healthy. Hell - he might have contended for the win if it weren't for his accident.
|That's what I mean...||hawayyan1|
Jul 24, 2003 6:16 AM
|I have broken my collarbone 4 times, and the pain was unbearable, hurt so bad I wanted to puke. I do really hand it to him for going after it. I was a basketcase for about three weeks. Even if it is only a "crack", bones are,'t supposed to do that, so the pain must be enormous. I don't want anyone out there to think I am by any means trying to take anything away from Hamilton. You guys ride a great deal smoother than I. Hell, I ride a Foes DH Slammer with 8" of travel in both ends, weighing 38 pounds and can't keep from getting hurt!!|
|After reading some of your posts...||CHRoadie|
Jul 24, 2003 7:28 AM
|I have got to say you are the biggest troll around! Why always so negative? Did someone hurt you in the past?|
Jul 24, 2003 8:31 AM
|As an outsider (DOWNHILL MTB'er!!) what I've said is what it seems like to a person not familiar to road racing, or the TDF/Pro Peloton. In our races, if someone falls, HAUL A$$. I said NOTHING bad/negative about Hamilton. I just didn't understand the ability of a roadie to ride smoothly enough to negate or at least be able to deal with the pain of a broken bone. You know, instead of just attacking people like me, why don't you try to educate us. Maybe then most MTB'ers won't think you guys are just a bunch of prima donnas afraid to get dirty. I wrote my first posts out of ignorance. I am slowly learning. This is the first TDF I have watched in depth. I don't understand all the ins/outs. Why don't you try a little patience when you think it is so clear someone doesn't understand!!!|
|Your choice of question leaves much to be desired||CHRoadie|
Jul 24, 2003 2:34 PM
|Asking how the timing works for each stage is a TdF newbie question. Asking how teammates provide support when at first glance it appears to be a solo effort is a newbie question. Asking why the peloton allows a breakaway to get a 10 minute lead before busting their butts to capture it in the last kilometer would be a good question.
Belittling a guy who has ridden 2,000 miles in three weeks faster than you or I will ever go is either a troll or your very best troll impression. I'll refresh your memory: "It's not like he lost a leg or anything."
|Your choice of question leaves much to be desired||hawayyan1|
Jul 24, 2003 2:51 PM
|Yep, those are three questions I don't quite get either. How if in the last thouand meters if there is a crash, all people still get the same time. And to hear that some riders want that to be extended to 3000-5000 meters. I KNOW I could never ride my bike at that pace (however I have ridden at over 64 mph in a race, Kamakaze Downhill, Mamoth Mtn). I think if you look at what some of the posts/columns though, there are a lot of people that don't understand road cycling. I would NEVER say that it is not a sport. Quite the contrary. However some of the crap the newspaper columnists have written IS road racing as percieved by much of the general public. I don't know about all this "Troll" stuff, but I do/did have my opinion. Everyone there is riding out their a$$!! I could never do it in a million years. I just didn't understand all the ins/outs, just what "seemed" to be happening. How many other sports have the Title on the line, $250,000 on the line, only 15 seconds back, and stop/soft pedal so the leader can get back in touch after he falls. I'm sorry, but at first glance to an outsider, that looks suspicious, I know better now. So relax!!!|
|TDF is hard enough w/o injuries...||James OCLV|
Jul 24, 2003 12:19 PM
|Riding the TDF is not as easy as these guys make it look! Usually, ~ 20% of the riders who start don't even finish, and it's not always due to injury.
As an example, the average speed of the first hour of Stage 16 was ~29 mph! The average speed of this year's TDF including the mountains, will be somewhere ~ 25 mph! That's incredibly fast - maybe not for a Pro Downhiller ;). Anyway, it's pretty tough to ride like that day-in and day-out, and even more so with an injury like Tyler's.