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Ullrich attacking in Paris - thoughts...(24 posts)

Ullrich attacking in Paris - thoughts...James OCLV
Jul 23, 2003 8:49 AM
Ullrich was quoted as saying that if he loses the TT on Saturday and the margins are close enough, he will attack on Sunday. I don't know for sure, but isn't it another "unwritten rule" that the last stage into Paris is more of a formality than part of the race?
I got called names for even suggesting such a thing nmDougSloan
Jul 23, 2003 8:54 AM
From Cyclingnews.com...James OCLV
Jul 23, 2003 8:57 AM
Hey Doug, it's not you. Here it is right from Ullrich himself...

"However Ullrich doesn't limit his chances to the time trial, as there are four additional stages - including the last one - where he could try and take time out of Armstrong. "I will look for my chance every day," he wrote. "I want to win this Tour. I've never been so close to Armstrong. I feel that I'm coming into top form. And if it is only a matter of a few seconds that separate us on Sunday after the time trial, then it's legitimate to attack on Sunday." "
attacks from everyone?DougSloan
Jul 23, 2003 9:01 AM
Sunday may well be WWIII. Vino may attack for 2nd. Others may attack Vino for 3rd. There will be the normal attacks from anyone trying to win a stage or get their name out front for a while. Heck, if Ullrich takes too much time out of Armstrong, Armstrong may be attacking.

My guess, Lance is ahead by a small margin after the TT, and Postal sets an excruciating pace to prevent *any* attacks.

Doug
Exactly, LA might be down a few seconds and have to attack..nmafrican
Jul 23, 2003 9:40 AM
This will all be moot after LA wins the final TT nmt-bill
Jul 23, 2003 11:17 AM
Vino is not going to attack for 2ndfcebedo
Jul 23, 2003 10:40 AM
Cause he will be too far away. He's 1:40 out right now. After the time trial, he'll be more than 2 minutes back. There will be no point.

I know he's Mr. Aggressive but I'm not sure he's a putz (like Rumsas) and go against tradition.

francis
Exactly. nmOldEdScott
Jul 24, 2003 5:38 AM
Nonetheless...DougSloan
Jul 23, 2003 8:56 AM
I would expect every competitor to do whatever they ethically and legally can to win the race; as far as I know, there are no rules against trying to win the last stage.

However, no way Postal will let Jan get away, and there will be others in the hunt for the sprint win. My guess is that it won't happen.

Doug
Not exactly what he saidMR_GRUMPY
Jul 23, 2003 9:02 AM
He said that if he takes back all but a few seconds on Saturday, he might try to attack on Sunday, and gain those few over Armstrong.
Well...Dwayne Barry
Jul 23, 2003 9:20 AM
yes, but the GC is almost never (has it ever been?) up for grabs (and very well may not be this year). I don't think anyone would fault someone for trying to get on the podium by attacking. But if you're just going for the gamble of a long break and making everyone work hard you'd probably get an earful. And it's just a formality until the circuits in Paris and then there are constant attacks usually and sometimes a break even works!
1989....Dave Hickey
Jul 23, 2003 9:25 AM
I don't remember Finon(sp?) attacking and he was only down by 8 seconds to LeMond...
1989....novagator
Jul 23, 2003 9:29 AM
The TT was the last stage that year, Fignon had no more stages with which to attack
Maybe that's why he didn't attack:-) nmDave Hickey
Jul 23, 2003 9:40 AM
He has given fair notice ...Humma Hah
Jul 23, 2003 9:35 AM
... and if he does, his attack will be answered. Armstrong has demonstrated the ability to ride on rough surfaces in this TdF ... we may see how well those bikes handle at speed on cobblestones!

I think it would make an interesting finish.
Never happen -- too many teams without stage victoriesBergMann
Jul 23, 2003 10:08 AM
Ullrich and Armstrong will be going all out in the final TT. No matter who wins, neither one of them will have recovered enough to hold off the entire peloton on flat terrain.

Even if Ullrich takes 30 seconds or so out of Lance in the TT, he's no match for the combined roleur-might of Hincapie, Pena, Eki, Padrnos, & Landis.

Add this to the fact that there are still a lot of teams hungry for a stage win, _and_ the green jersey competition is going to come down to the final day, and you can be sure that plenty of guys will be sandbagging the TT to be as fresh as possible for the next day.

Stage 19 is the end of the GC competition. Period.
You're probabably right, but so far in this tourRoger2
Jul 23, 2003 10:23 AM
the unexpected should be expected. Today being a great example.

Great drama,
Unless it's a handful of seconds...Dwayne Barry
Jul 23, 2003 10:55 AM
then the time bonuses at the sprints and finish could become significant. You'd not have to hold off the whole peloton just out-fox the sprinter's teams!
Telekom will liaise with Bianchi, Zabel leads out Jan....;-) nmSpunout
Jul 24, 2003 4:00 AM
Lance will win the ITTfracisco
Jul 23, 2003 10:22 AM
He said this morning that he has never lost the final ITT, and he's not going to start this year. I think that his loss of 1:32 to Ullrich in the previous ITT was an aberration that will not be repeated.

Lance will win the final ITT by 20 seconds.
well there're still a few sprint time bonusescyclopathic
Jul 23, 2003 10:42 AM
stages 17,18 and 20 have 2 sprints each, carrying 6,4,2 sec bonuses for first 3 places. Rules limit total bonus per stage to 10(?) sec. You don't have to win a stage to make up for small deficit.
shoe on the other foot - how about if lance loses the last TT...slomo
Jul 23, 2003 3:12 PM
by a few seconds. don't you think he will be attacking on the last stage?
never happen (see above)BergMann
Jul 23, 2003 5:32 PM
_NO ONE_ in professional cycling is strong enough to stay away from a determined field on a pancake flat when so much glory is at stake.

Paris will end in a sprint as long as there are sprinters in the race who want to win.
No one,TJeanloz
Jul 24, 2003 6:10 AM
No one is strong enough to stay away solo - but get Robbie McEwen, Baden Cooke and Lance [Ullrich] into a ~10 man break, and that group could stay away, as the sprinters teams wouldn't have so much incentive to chase (at least, McEwen and Cooke's teams).