|Would you say Mayo and Zubeldia were unsportsmanlike?||SJMatt|
Jul 21, 2003 2:52 PM
|Someone posted this question deep in one of the other threads, but I wanted to bring it to the top.
I really thought that Mayo and Zubeldia would give Ullrich the 2nd place. He carried them up that hill during Lance's attack and obviously has the most to benefit from the time bonus.
Seems like the only thing the two Spanish riders had to gain was over each other.
Jul 21, 2003 3:22 PM
|I tend to think it would have been the gesture to let Ullrich have the extra point since he did the work.
But perhaps they are looking to up their worth for a contract next year too?
I hate to even think it but in the older days of the tour
many in the peloton said Kelly would have done better if he didn't sit on his wallet.
Meaning that back then some teams would pay lesser placed teams with good riders for their help in a key stage.
Not saying this is what happened here ;-)
|It's called a "Race" for a reason...||spyderman|
Jul 21, 2003 8:36 PM
|Gee, how boring would it be if the finish was always determined by who did all the work...
Don't you have a competitive side? I wouldn't lay down for anyone. I'd make Ullrich beat me.
|I kinda think so..||longfellow68|
Jul 21, 2003 3:35 PM
|I probably would have popped one of them in the mouth if I was Ullrich. What a bunch of freaks.
I particulary don't like the Spanish riders sideburns.
They look like Mr. Spock's on Star Trek. Must be a fad over there.
|re: Would you say Mayo and Zubeldia were unsportsmanlike?||xcandrew|
Jul 21, 2003 3:42 PM
|No. It's a race and they were just trying to do the best that they could. Just because they had enough to sprint at the end doesn't mean that they weren't at the limit hanging onto Ullrich on the way up. Ullrich was definitely motivated and going all out on the climb and drafting was probably not much of an issue. In any case, with time bonuses on the line, there is no reason for them not the contest the finish.|
|Mayo already attacked before latching onto Jan.....||Stinky Hippie|
Jul 21, 2003 4:10 PM
|....so Jan should have known that the Euskatel boys were playing for keeps.
I think there's something going on in the peloton to which we aren't privy....Let the conspiracy theories commence!!
Feel the gin
|It was quite sporting||Spoiler|
Jul 21, 2003 5:08 PM
|It looked like either one could have helped Jan in the chase, but they didn't even though they had a good reason to help him. The group was leaving Vino behind. The Spanards are battling Vino for the last podium spot. If they had helped Jan, they would have gained even more time on Vino.
Zubeldia and Mayo aren't battling Jan for second place, they're battling Vinokourov for a podium spot. Before the finish, Zubeldia and Mayo trailed Vinokourov by over four minutes. With the time bonus, and the free ride from Jan, they were able to cut Vino's lead in half.
|It was quite sporting?||fine_tuner|
Jul 21, 2003 7:41 PM
|Yes and had they did their share of work it (time) would have been even less.
They're a couple of Pussys..
What they did to Lance and Ullrich was B.S.
|I was disappointed by them too
Jul 21, 2003 11:00 PM
|I have been a strong supporter of them in the past. I am Spanish, (Basque actually) and I ride a Spanish bike (Orbea) .....
..... and I still think they looked like a couple of "Weasels" as they tried to steal the time bonus off of Ullrich.
|Mayo & Zubeldia||Tarangu|
Jul 22, 2003 6:31 AM
|I read (in a Spanish daily sports paper, As.es) that Jan U. had said that what Mayo did was not honorable and that Mayo should have done what Zubeldia did. I could not tell from the TV coverage but it seems from what Jan U.is saying that Zubeldia allowed him to come in third. I completely agree that Mayo looked terrible taking 2nd from Jan U. when he did none of the work.
Also, I think Euskatel made a tactical mistake by not helping Jan & Lance in the Tourmalet and try to take third from Vino (maybe they had no legs).
|re: How much did he carry?||Grand Pooh Bear|
Jul 22, 2003 4:41 AM
|I know all the benefits of drafting, although I cannot usually even keep up with a fast pace line. At the speeds they are travelling up mountain passes, just how much help does one get by sitting on another's wheel?
If it was truly unsportsmanlike, wouldn't Ullrich have said something or drifted back to their wheel to force them to pull?
Just a couple thoughts.
|A bit, but won the stupid prize IMO.||noveread|
Jul 22, 2003 6:26 AM
|A bit unsportsmanlike, but definitely those two did the stupid ride of the day IMO. I mean, they drop Vino on the Tourmalet and then just sit on Lance and Jan until the final climb and didn't do any work despite urging from Jan and Lance. As a result, Vino rejoins by the base of Luz Ardiden and only loses 1:20 to the Basque riders by the top. As a result of those two not doing any work, Vino will keep E-E from getting a podium position by Paris. Thank goodness.
Personally, I don't care for the tactics of many spanish riders.
The Empty Wrapper
|A bit, but won the stupid prize IMO.||african|
Jul 22, 2003 6:48 AM
|I really don't care what the EE riders did, if it was me, I would have sat on his wheel and pipped him for 2nd, but I really agree with what you say that they should have helped pull so that Vino could not rejoin, then again it helped LA team mates and one of JU team mates to bridge up.|
|A bit, but won the stupid prize IMO.||jschrotz|
Jul 22, 2003 9:46 AM
|Ullrich's characterization was spot-on. Cheap shot by Mayo. If you can't help with the pace, you have no business coming around at the last second to pip the guy who did all the work. It would have been one thing if it had been Zubeldia on the attack and Mayo had been obliged to sit on Ullrich the whole time, but that wasn't the case. Mayo just pulled a d!ck move.|| |