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Armstrong.....what a disappointment(9 posts)

Armstrong.....what a disappointmentnorthcoast
Jul 19, 2003 11:56 AM
The best team in the world...
The largest budget in the world...
The best climbing domestiques in the world...

and he still can't hold off his main competitors.

Hats off to those riders that rode with NO team and still did great, (Ullrich, Vinokourov) and those that did well alone (Basso, Hamilton).
I don't get it...kgg
Jul 19, 2003 12:51 PM
OK - Lance clearly isn't dominating this year. But hey, he's still in first; not too shabby, and it's making for a fantatstic race.

But here's what I wonder - all this talk about Lance being there only because of his team, and the other guys (like Ullrich) doing it without a team - why does the team make that much difference in these stages? It looks like Ullrich and Vinokourov are getting just as much benefit from Postal as Lance is. It's not like Lance is attached to them by a tow rope. He has to haul himself up the mountain with his own two legs, just like the rest of them.

I understand that a team can be useful in chasing down a breakaway, but that's not what we're talking about here. And I understand that Lance benefitted from a great team TT. But in the mountains, it seems like you've got to do it yourself, team or no team.
When Lance's teammates are setting tempo . . .jumphress
Jul 19, 2003 1:05 PM
. . . they are setting HIS tempo, one that might not be comfortable for his opponents. He also has the luxury of knowing when they will accelerate, and can send them to chase down attacks, get water, or even illegal feeds from the team car! (on the Joux-Plane stage in 2000)

And lets say you're climbing at 30kph. You still get a benefit drafting even at that speed.

It's just not working as well as it did in past Tours.
Climbing at 18mph????jose_Tex_mex
Jul 19, 2003 4:18 PM
What? Climbing at 30kph? I doubt it, other than when the road goes level, briefly.

Have a look at all the fans running alongside the riders. They are hardly running at 18mph. More like 12mph.

Try dropping your drawers and running like the guy today and see if you can go 30kph.

Not much drafting in the mountains. That's why individuals excel there.
Not on the steepest pitches . . .jumphress
Jul 19, 2003 4:35 PM
. . . but there are plenty of places on the climbs where they can hit those speeds - and that's where setting a high tempo does the most damage.

If "individuals excel there", why does Postal pay big bucks for all those climbers to protect Lance? Seems like the money would be better spent on a bunch of timetrialists - then Postal could win the TTT by a four minute margin and coast the rest of the way.
re: Armstrong.....what a disappointmenthinaults dog
Jul 19, 2003 2:11 PM
Have you ever ridden a bike ?
Armstrong - what a Champion.hrv
Jul 19, 2003 3:09 PM
He's obviously dying like a dog, be it the heat, whatever.
He looked downright sickly in some of those close-ups and gets dropped then comes back to fight another day. The Blue Train doesn't have as much steam this year so his competitors get a free ride on board. If Vino or Ullrich
win they should thank the train for getting them there!

cut him some slack , he's 2 months shy of 32 years...Julie C
Jul 19, 2003 3:43 PM
old. How old was Hinault when it started to go? What about Indurain? They may go down as cycling immortals but they are still human.
Shes right you know, it cant last forever...n.m.koala
Jul 20, 2003 3:03 AM