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fly on the wall at Team Postal?DougSloan
Jul 18, 2003 9:11 AM
Wouldn't you love to be there and hear the half-time team pep talk right now? "Gotta give 110% to help Lance in the mountains put time on Jan..."

What do you suppose they are saying?

BTW, Lance looks skinnier than in years past. Suppose he sacrificed some muscle, and power, to get weight down?

The Skinny on Lance & postalEman
Jul 18, 2003 9:14 AM
Funny, I thought he looked skinnier in the pics yesterday, but was wondering if it was just that he was standing next to Arnold.

I actually think they are going to have a LOT of strategy to talk about tonight, and YES I'd love to hear it!
re: fly on the wall at Team Postal?wheelsucker
Jul 18, 2003 9:14 AM
I think lance is telling them they they have to give their all and for Heras(and whoever else is the climber domestique) that they need to do more than they did on alpe d'huez(which didn't look like a whole lot).
But is it Vino or Ullrich they are concerned about?MXL02
Jul 18, 2003 9:33 AM
JU's ass-kicking TT not withstanding, so far it's been all Vino in the mountains...If I was Lance and Jan, I'd be more concerned with him than with each other.
What if they have us all suckered...Uprwstsdr
Jul 18, 2003 9:49 AM
Could this possibly part of the strategy. Give Jan some false hope, keep the Yellow Jersey and then blow everyone away in the Pyranees?
BTW, in the NY times yesterday, OLN ran an ad in the sports section promoting their weekend prgramming with the headline
"Tyranee in the Pyranees!"
Jul 18, 2003 10:04 AM
Is Lance trying to also set the record for the closest margin to win the tour at less than :08 sec.

What if they have us all suckered...- - ->don't think sojavier - rio
Jul 18, 2003 10:56 AM
Giving false hope would be too dangerous. I don't think those super strategists as Armstrong and the team would play that game. I just think that today during the TT the rest of the UPS team may have "saved legs" for the mountains. All the UPS team finished today between 6 and 8 minutes behind Armstrong. While L.A. is clearly the fastest of them, today's difference seemed too much. Let's see how/if Rubiera, Heras and co. will set the pace on the Pyranees. I think they wil make everybody soar from beginning to end.
Tour going as planned except for...t-bill
Jul 18, 2003 9:56 AM
... the beating in the TT today. I don't think they wanted to dominate in the Alps. Remember what happened last year on the mountain top finishes? USPS still has the best team, and that team works for one purpose. While Euskaltel has some good climbers, they act like a bunch of individuals. USPS still has the ability to set a torturous pace so that all but a select few drop off. After that, teams don't matter. Even if the only guys left are Mayo, LA, Jan, and Vino, the latter two can try to team up all they want... it all comes down to who is the strongest on the climb. I still think that Mayo is the only one there who can hang with LA when he decides it's time to go. And we haven't seen a mano a mano battle between those two yet. Every previous stage (TdF, Daupihne, or otherwise) has been preparation.
I think it is from outside stress; marital problems,Roger2
Jul 18, 2003 10:00 AM
public relation committments/appearences, etc. over the last year. With all that I wonder about his mind and his focus leading up to the tour and in the tour. I think we all know how personal stuff can affect focus at your job etc. I'd expect no different for him and for him success is measured by mere seconds.
re: fly on the wall at Team Postal?zero85ZEN
Jul 18, 2003 10:35 AM
Here's my take, for what it's worth...(not much I'm sure.)

Johan and Lance (and Chris C as well) do not have a single ridgid strategy that they bring to the race. They consider a host of possible scenarios that could arise and come up with contingincies(sp?) for each... They knew very long ago that the Tour started today. (Between now and the final ITT this race will be decided.) They've known that and planned for it since the route was revealed last fall. I think LA has purpously ridden a conservative, tactically sound, defensive race so far. Now I'm not saying that Lance, et all, would not have liked more time on Ullrich going into the Pyrenees...but I don't think they are in a state of panic just yet. Lance lost this TT by a minute and a half (more time than I'm sure he would have liked to give up to Ullrich!) but he had the time to lose based on Ullrich's performance in the Alps. I think LA knew all He NEEDED out of the Alps was some time on Ullrich before the first ITT. (I'm sure he would have WANTED more time, but he got enough to ride a decent TT, conceed time to Ullrich and still hold a lead AND have reserves for the Mts.) I think Lance dosed his efforts slightly today knowing what lies ahead in the Mountains. That being said, I have not seen anything to make me start to really worry just yet. I think USPS is setting up for some real fireworks over the next few days. Something big is going to happen in the Mts.... USPS now has a good read on "who is who" in this years Tour and now they will impliment one of their plans. I don't know why but I just have a strong hunch that Lance has been conserving strength. His statement about the ITT being the most important of his career, the statements about his focus on TT this year, etc, etc, all seems calculated to me...calculated to throw off the competition. Everyone is noticing how super thin Lance is this year...I don't think that is an accident, or some kind of poor planning by any means. Lance knows he can outclimb Ullrich and any other challengers consistantly day after day. He may not win a stage in the Mts but he will consistantly finish well ahead of those that he needs to put time into. The next 4 days in the Mts are what Lance and Johan have prepared him and the team for.
I would not be surprised to see LA come out of the Pyrenees with a 4 or 5 minute lead over the closest challanger. Like I stated above...I just have a gut feeling something big is brewing....
I also would not be surprised to see Lance win the final ITT. (Now eveyone thinks I'm totally crazy I'm sure!)
True I am a Lance fan. But not because I think he is a wonderful human being, or an inspirational role model (both of which he may be), but becaue I have always glimpsed something "transcendent" about his ability to overcome adversity. (I remember thinking back in '96 that if anyone could come back from cancer to the top of their sport, Armstrong would be one that could...I never Dreamed of him becomeing a Tour champion though!!! :)
He has the same quality of "athletic genius" that we saw in Michael Jordan and now see in Tiger Woods.

Anyway, we will find out over the next few days. Of course I may have to completely eat my words and look like a total fool by then. :-) Oh well. I am an Ullrich fan too. What a great Tour!
He hasn't outclimbed Vino or Mayo nmjumphress
Jul 18, 2003 10:46 AM
You should have said 'YET' (nm)pedalpete
Jul 18, 2003 11:53 AM
And your point is . . . (nm)jumphress
Jul 18, 2003 12:08 PM
I agree with you...Slowclimber
Jul 18, 2003 2:59 PM
For some reason watching Lance and knowing his/USPS's tactical abilities I just have the feeling like this is all calculated.

At no point in the Alps did Lance look in trouble or labored. In the TT today he looked like it was ticking over a very high cadence which tells me he is conserving energy for the next 4 days of climbing. This is much like last year when he lost the first TT to Botero. Everybody thought he wasn't on form then he turned around and won by a huge margin. He used a very high cadence in the first TT last year as well.

When the second TT came around last year he had seperated himself from the rest of the pack and could let it all go in the last TT.

Lance is thinner this year for a reason, to go up hills fast. The Pyranese (spelling?) are generally steeper but shorter than the Alps, with this in mind lighter riders tend to do better the steeper it gets. I think he trained specifically for these next 4 days and we will see him on form and will come out of the Pyranese with a good 4-5 minute lead.

Of course I could end up looking like an idiot for my prognostications but I just don't see him being off form this year.

My .02 worth
re: fly on the wall at Team Postal?koala
Jul 18, 2003 3:27 PM
I think you have hit the nail on the head. We have yet to see one of those high cadence blasts off the front that can demoralize the competition. Unless Lance is sick, I bet he has one or two of those left.