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how many think beloki would win had he not crashed???(13 posts)

how many think beloki would win had he not crashed???wheelsucker
Jul 16, 2003 10:20 AM
I personally think that Beloki was going to win the tour this year. He looked strong from early on. Unless Lance is just waiting till the pyranees to take it all, he hasn't shown the domination he did in the past which is why I think this would have been beloki's year. And it still may be someone else's year(besides lance)
If we knew, it wouldn't be much of a race ...Humma Hah
Jul 16, 2003 10:32 AM
... but he was looking like a contender. Hard to say ... one thing he proved is anyone can LOSE the whole thing in a heartbeat. If about 106 more top riders crash that hard or get the stomach flu, Pena could win.
He certainly would have wonOldEdScott
Jul 16, 2003 11:02 AM
over some hearts, because he was SHOWING more heart than he ever did before. I have to admit I was impressed by his guts this year, for the first time.
He certainly would have wonXeo
Jul 16, 2003 11:55 AM
I don't think you can make the claim that he certainly would have won. First off I don't think he could have out TT Lance and secondly he never broke away from Lance in the Alps so why do you think he would have gained much time in the Pyrenees? I think he would have ended up somewhere between 2-3 minutes behind Lance and with a podium finish but not the overall GC title. If he would have put in an effort like Vino winning stage 9 and Lance was unable to chase I would have given you credience to your argument but Lance matched every move the guy made and obviously saw Beloki as his major threat even though he keeps insisting that Jan is the man to watch out for.

Just my 2 cents.
I dont think you read the post. nmcollinsc
Jul 16, 2003 12:00 PM
I dont think you read the post. nmXeo
Jul 16, 2003 12:04 PM
Actually I did, you can interpret my answer as saying no I don't think he could have won.
Then why did you reply to OldEdScott?collinsc
Jul 16, 2003 12:27 PM
Ed makes a post that says "He certainly would have won...over some hearts, because he was SHOWING more heart than he ever did before."

And you reply: "I don't think you can make the claim that he certainly would have won."

I dont need to interpret anything, it is quite clear what you were saying (and I agree, for that matter) but you posted in such a way that it appeared you were trying to disagree with someone who agreed with you.

Help avoid confusion - be careful where you post (and the subject of your post)
nopeDougSloan
Jul 16, 2003 12:04 PM
Lance has superior endurance, and Beloki would have burned out before it's over. Ullrich is pacing himself a little better, but again probably won't have the staying power.

Doug
re: how many think beloki would win had he not crashed???Fignons_ponytail
Jul 16, 2003 5:07 PM
Not a chance, but he put up a hell of a fight and earned a lot of fans. Lance would have taken 2 minutes out of him on each time trial. Probably another 30 sec or a minute on stage 15. Just wait, Lance is going to lay down the law beginning on Friday...
So Y post in a question and write with an observation?Canidraftyou
Jul 16, 2003 6:33 PM
Is Wheelsucker a dumb A$$ or is it my observation? I could be wrong, but I think Lance only stood up two or three times during the first 10 stages....WOW!!!

Beloki was a moderate second/strong third! A great cyclist!!!

Peace out,

You asked for it "rubber sucker"
So Y post in a question and write with an observation?wheelsucker
Jul 17, 2003 3:07 AM
maybe your the dumb A$$. I posted a question and answered it including my observation of why I thought beloki would have won. Maybe you can't comprehend what you read?
I don't think he would, and him out makes it harder for LAcyclopathic
Jul 17, 2003 5:31 AM
afterall Beloki crashed trying to close gap on Vino. Other guys had little desire to chase him hard.
Not a chance...James OCLV
Jul 17, 2003 6:39 AM
I'm still of the opinion that everything that's happened so far is based on tactics.

Lance was never put into difficulty on L'Alpe d'Huez. He countered attack after attack after attack. He marked his "rivals" and kept them in check while expending the least amount of energy necessary. I have no doubt that he wanted to win that day, however, only if the opportunity presented itself and not at the expense of the overall Tour strategy. If anything, it's a testament as to how well the competition is riding this year. I'm sure that Lance felt that it would have been too risky to "lay down the hammer" at that point in time.

I still say that if he wasn't on form, he wouldn't announce it like he has been. Why give your competition motivation to attack you if you're not in top shape? I really think that if he truly wasn't on his game, he would play it down and not "admit" to having "bad days" and "not feeling great".

My prediction:
1. Lay down the law in Friday's ITT. Lance will put 1:00 + into Vino, Mayo & Hamilton. Ullrich will loose maybe 30 seconds or so and move into 3rd place.
2. Close the casket on Stage 15.
3. Put the final nail in the coffin in the last ITT.

Again, this is only my feeling - I may be wrong... If so, it will be an even better race!