|I think that it was unsportsmanly of Lance to||sodade|
Jul 15, 2003 8:52 AM
|rejoin the group the way he did after the Beloki crash. Look at the last part of the video - after he gets back on the bike he cuts right in front of Vinokurov, who had to swerve to miss him. He should have been more careful getting back on the road. You can see Vino shaking his head and you know he's thinking "what a jackass."|
|is this a troll?||DougSloan|
Jul 15, 2003 8:54 AM
|He was well behind Vino. It was someone else shaking his head, but my guess probably in disbelief that Lance survived the field. I wouldn't go attributing thoughts to someone you don't know, especially so negatively.
|I think it's more like a HobGoblin. n.m.||ZeGopha|
Jul 15, 2003 9:35 AM
|not a troll - I am serious!||sodade|
Jul 15, 2003 9:56 AM
|it doesn't matter who it was that he cut in front of - it was totally irresponsible for him to jump back on the road and cut all the way across it forcing the other riders to swerve and brake. He should have waited until it was clear and stayed on his side of the road when he got back into the pack.
I think that it is ironic that Lance was ripping on the reckless riding of the young riders in the tour and then he pulls a stunt like this.
I might buy that he was confused and it was an adrenaline fueled decision, but Lance is supposed to be a pro.
|So next time he should look both ways before crossing???||biknben|
Jul 15, 2003 10:12 AM
|LeBlanc: Lance...you've been a very bad boy.
Lance: I'm sorry Mom...I mean Sir.
Leblanc: How many times do you have to be told to look before crossing the busy street?
Lance: Uh...I don't know.
LeBlanc: You're going straight to your room with no dinner! Wait until your father hears about this!!!
Lance: Oh Maaaannnn?!?
|LOL. And use proper hand signals......... nm||Dave Hickey|
Jul 15, 2003 10:15 AM
|Since he wasn't penalized by the race officials...||spyderman|
Jul 15, 2003 10:17 AM
|he didn't do anything wrong.|
|Yeah, that was kinda spooky-looking ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 15, 2003 8:57 AM
|I finally got to see the helicopter video of the episode last night ... the first perspective of the hairpin turn that was cut out, and the situation finally made sense. I think he could have timed re-entry better, and still not have affected his overall time at all.
I imagine he was pretty rattled, in more ways than one, at that point, and may not have been thinking totally clearly.
|Try this sometime...||Halloween|
Jul 15, 2003 9:13 AM
|Put on some carbon soled road shoes, get your lightest carbon rimmed bike out of the garage then go find a nice steep field to ride it through, get going at least 20 mph then dismount and run down a 45 degree embankment, jump a ditch, and finally jump onto the pavement and see how fast you can stop.
I was really supprised he didn't fall flat on his butt when he jumped onto the pavement.
Momentum was the only thing working for him, he had zero choice in the matter.
Jul 15, 2003 9:25 AM
|TdF officials exonerate Armstrong||DougSloan|
Jul 15, 2003 9:40 AM
|Race jury: Armstrong did not benefit from 'shortcut'
By VeloNews Interactive
This report filed July 14, 2003
Four-time champion Lance Armstrong avoided being fined or punished for his dramatic detour through a field to avoid crashing into fallen rival Joseba Beloki near the end of the Tour de France ninth stage Monday.
A race jury determined that Armstrong was deemed not to have benefited from his impromptu change of direction.
"Beloki's fall led Armstrong to take evasive action, leading him into a field which he left without gaining any advantage on the group of riders he had been with," said an organizers' statement.
Meanwhile, the jury fined several other riders for infractions that occurred at other points along the 184.5km stage, particularly on the day's four climbs.
Topping the list was the Rabobank team manager Theo De Rooy, who race organizers fined 600 Swiss francs ($440 U.S.) for driving in front of South African Robert Hunter.
Hunter was riding behind his team car for a "prolonged period" according to organisers - a manoeuvre which can help riders conserve some of their energy and thus aid their climbs.
The 26-year-old from Johannesburg also copped a 100 Swiss franc fine and 40 seconds were added to his overall time - but he was not the only one sitting with his wheel near the rear bumper of a team car.
Team-mate Marc Wauters was docked 20 seconds in penalties and fined 50 SF.
The other riders to benefit from "short spells" behind team cars were Frenchman Nicolas Jalabert (CSC), Sandy Casar (fdjeux.com), Spaniard David Canada (Quick Step) and Italian Marco Milesi, all of whom were fined 30 SF.
Italian Guido Trentin perhaps came off worst after he used the side of a car to help launch himself forward while climbing, the Cofidis rider being fined 100 SF while 20secs were added to his time and he was also docked 10 points in the points competition.
Other riders with the same idea, and who were also fined, were Germans Matthias Kessler and Torsten Schmidt, Spaniard Jose Enrique Guierrez, Frenchman Jerome Pineau and Australian champion Stuart O'Grady. Fellow Australian Baden Cooke, the winner of Monday's stage who is wearing the green jersey for the points competition, was fined 30 SF, although the 24-year-old from Victoria was only sitting in the saddle when he was pushed three times by a spectator.
Copyright AFP2003 http://www.velonews.com/tour2003/news/articles/4524.0.html
|Interesting stuff, thanks. (nm)||Chen2|
Jul 15, 2003 10:35 AM
|That wasn't Vino...||biknben|
Jul 15, 2003 9:56 AM
|As Armstrong remounted, he was passed by the riders who were with him at the crash. Vino was 20 seconds up the road. The guy waving and throwing his arm was Hamilton, encouraging Armstrong to catch up.
I was surprised to see Armstrong dart across the road and remount on the far side. Like someone else mentioned, he just had too much momentum. I was also surprised to see him start pedaling while in the field. I think he found himself in a bad situation but was determined to make the most of it.
|re: I think that it was unsportsmanly of Lance to||otiebob|
Jul 15, 2003 11:16 AM
|Although I don't think it was "unsportsmanly" of Armstrong but rather an amazing reaction/display of riding skills as well as a demonstration of his competitiveness (ie. running out on the road and remounting as he did), your post is interesting. What if a rider not universally loved (say Pantani, Simoni, or Virenque assuming they were respectively "in" or "in the running" in this tour)did the same thing - cut a corner to avoid a crash? I suspect more people would in fact be calling foul and screaming about penalties...maybe?|
|the cyclocross manuever was fine...||sodade|
Jul 15, 2003 11:57 AM
|I think that Lance did the right thing with the cross country excursion. That is totally cool - and I don't think that he should be docked for it - BUT, watch him running across the whole road in front of the other riders! Totally unprofessional IMHO....|
|the cyclocross manuever was fine...||otiebob|
Jul 15, 2003 12:11 PM
|Had Armstrong actually made contact with one of the riders coming down as he ran across the road or caused any other disruption, I think you would be correct but he caused a mild annoyance in the rider in pink and moreover, as yellow jersey leader and 4-time champion, he's expected to do all he can to keep the jersey. Now, if a young domestique ran across the road but didn't disrupt other riders, you can bet it would be considered poor form, but I think it is allowable here. Again, had he caused another crash by crossing the road, then I would agree with you. Regardless, it is one of the strangest sequences I've ever witnessed in TDF and will be discussed years from now.|
|re: I think that it was unsportsmanly of Lance to||PhatMatt|
Jul 15, 2003 12:23 PM
Last time I checked my road shoes had the same amount of traction my mountaineering boots did. I think it was just due to the momentum and with road shoe it is amazing he did not end up on his ass to boot.
|re: I think that it was unsportsmanly of Lance to||synapselapse|
Jul 15, 2003 12:48 PM
|I think he simply misjudged how fast the approaching riders were coming toward him. I think he was purposefully trying to get to that far side of the road to stay out of the way, as the next turn was to the right....|
|now, that I'll buy -nm-||sodade|
Jul 15, 2003 5:39 PM
|but NOT carbon soled shoe/momentum????? NM||stik__boy|
Jul 15, 2003 6:46 PM