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I don't understand, if Lance did what Petacchi is doing....(12 posts)
|I don't understand, if Lance did what Petacchi is doing....||Mauceri|
Jul 11, 2003 8:45 AM
|From reading Lances's book, Lance said that you can't try to win every stage of the race, otherwise you can make enemies quickly.
Lance says that because riders rely on endorsements for a living that he makes sure that he doesn't win every stage that he can, because giving someone the opportunity to wear the yellow jersey it would give the rider and his team exposure...which equals publicity for the rider and the team....which equals money.
Now how come Petacchi is not being criticized for winning all of these stages. Isn't he being a stage "hog" if you will? Isn't Petacchi making enemies by stealing the last stage that he did...especially when he doesn't have much of a chance of winning the tour? The other sprinters must hate the guy. Yes or no?
Now if Lance was winning every stage up intil now, the press and the riders would despise him wouldn't they? Lance said that most American's just do not understand this aspect of riding. American's just want to win at all costs...Europeans don't feel this way.
|Yes and no...||Dwayne Barry|
Jul 11, 2003 8:59 AM
|it all depends on the situation. I've never heard of sprinters complaining about another sprinter taking too many stages. Plus all the top sprinters are also interested in the points competition so they can't afford to give away points by backing off at the finish.
Usually the only situation in which you see a rider give away victory is when the giver is gaining something bigger (like the GC lead) than the receiver (a stage win), and the receiver can be seen as helping the giver in the pursuit of his bigger goal. It's kinda like a thank you for helping set the pace. I think Simoni did this with Julio Perez in the Giro two years ago, and maybe this year with someone? Armstrong did it with Pantani (although this is the only time I can recall him ever letting someone else win when he was clearly in a position to do so).
In general, it's a fairly rare occurrence that a rider gives a stage away. Now selling a victory is a whole nother story!
|Yes and no...||James OCLV|
Jul 11, 2003 9:06 AM
|Didn't Lance do the same for Ullrich in '01 (when Jan reached back to shake his hand on the line)?|
|I'm pretty sure...||Dwayne Barry|
Jul 11, 2003 9:14 AM
|riders were in front of them as I can't remember either of them even opening up a sprint.|
|only one rider, Lance gave 2nd to Ulrich so he could...||Bruno S|
Jul 11, 2003 11:01 AM
|get the time bonus and gain on Beloki who was very close to Ulrich.|
Jul 11, 2003 9:15 AM
|There was at least one other instance last year, when Lance just rode to the line on Belokis wheel and didn't come around him at the end. I think Rumsas was there too.
It was one of the later stages in the Alps. Can't recall which one, but it may have been the one that Boogard won on a solo break. Of course, it wasn't for a stage win, but there may still have been a couple of second time bonus on the line. Also, it wasn't on an icon of a stage like the Ventoux incident with Pantani.
|I agree...||Dwayne Barry|
Jul 11, 2003 9:23 AM
|you don't want to look greedy (by going for a 3rd instead of say a 5th) when you're eating the biggest slice of the pie already.|
|re: I don't understand, if Lance did what Petacchi is doing....||TWD|
Jul 11, 2003 9:06 AM
|I think if Lance is in yellow with a 6 minute lead and several stage wins under his belt and he kept going for stage after stage, sure it's gonna piss people off. If he already has a comfortable margin and the yellow, he doesn't need to open the gap more, and he's already got plenty of the glory. Of course, there's plenty of Lance haters whether he wins or looses.
Pettachi, on the other hand, has no hope of GC, and may not even make it through the mountains, since it sounded like he was already in difficulty on some really small climbs already. He doesn't, have the yellow jersey, his team doesn't have a podium contender for GC, and the Alps are coming very soon. Of course he's gunning for every stage he can get. All of the sprinters are too, he's just kicking their can at the moment. I don't think any of the supercharged sprinters are going sit back and give away stages for fear of criticism of hogging stages. That's their job...to win races.
|If only Cipo were there...||BAi9302010|
Jul 11, 2003 9:54 AM
|He was in bad shape in the Giro and he still beat everyone (including Pettachi and McEwen) twice and never finshed lower than 3rd or 4th in the rest of the sprints. If he were in the tour (in which case he'd probably make sure he was in good shape) I think he'd show everyone who the real boss is. It's kind of annoying that the media is already hyping Pettachi as the new "best sprinter in the world", "the next Cipo", etc. when the real best sprinter in the world isn't even there to contest the sprints.|
|I thought some guy by the name of Merckx||Mel Erickson|
Jul 11, 2003 12:54 PM
|pissed a lot of cyclists off by winning everything. Isn't he widely regarded and respected as the greatest cyclist of all time? Time heals all wounds and everybody loves a winner.|
|when Petacchi is gone||The Human G-Nome|
Jul 11, 2003 1:18 PM
|most of the other sprinters will be relieved at this point because the mountains are coming and dollars to donuts Petacchi doesn't survive. this will allow other to have a chance later on because right now, in the form he's in, they have none. i don't know if it's unprecedented, but it's certainly rare that almost all of the sprinters would somehow welcome the mountains, but that appears to be the case right now.|
|Exactly, you're just not understanding||No_sprint|
Jul 11, 2003 9:47 AM
|Apples and oranges. Sprints and mountains and TTs and TTTs.
Sprint wins go to the best sprinters. Petacchi is clearly superior right now. Yes, you can bet he's made a closet enemy of Zabel. Petacchi has in all likelihood decided long ago that he won't see a Paris finish (guess).
Lance don't care about the points jersey.
Nobody wins every day. Racing is about conservation of energy. Lance and the other leaders will gage their moves off their nearest competitor. Should some 100th place rider two hours behind want to take a stage from Lance or another at some point, they'd be free to do so at any time.
The first week of the Tour is really a showcase/warmup week. The real deal has yet to begin.
Euros don't feel that way huh? I disagree based on the pperformances of the likes of Museuw, Cipo, Zabel, Indurain, Bettini, and the hosts of guys taking all the risks with EPO and NESP, etc. That truly is an *at all costs* action.