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So why does Phil keep saying that the crash ...(9 posts)

So why does Phil keep saying that the crash ...Live Steam
Jul 7, 2003 7:42 PM
was the Confidi riders fault? He was in front of the Kelme rider who bumped his wheel. The Confidi rider was in front and is allowed to make his line. The Kelme rider over-cooked the turn and lost control.
re: So why does Phil keep saying that the crash ...russw19
Jul 7, 2003 11:59 PM
I've watched that crash about 50 times now... I know the Cofidis rider takes out the Kelme rider's front wheel, but I can't really tell if he changes his line thru the corner or not. Either way, it's really just a part of racing. When there are 200 guys all gunning for a podium placing in the Centeneray Tour... stuff like this happens.

re: So why does Phil keep saying that the crash ...Live Steam
Jul 8, 2003 4:48 AM
I've watched it over and over again too. The Confidis rider is clearly in front and taking the turn wide. It looks like the Kelme rider just couldn't handle the speed into the turn. He bumped wheels and was forced to put his foot down. The rest was inevitable.
Well...Dwayne Barry
Jul 8, 2003 3:41 AM
presumably the Kelme rider was taking a line through the corner that was safe...until Clain came across in front of him.
...on the other hand...seyboro
Jul 8, 2003 4:24 AM
...local group ride 101, lesson 1:
Don't overlap wheels in a sprint/crowd/turn unless you have your credit card ready...
Wheel overlap...Dwayne Barry
Jul 8, 2003 4:36 AM
is a ubiquitous occurance when racing as you are always trying to move forward or hold your spot and often can't afford to not move up into any space that presents itself or to back off and sit directly on someone's wheel. If you're not aggressive you will quickly find yourself reshuffled to the back of the bunch or out of position for the sprint.

I've always found the wheel overlap on group rides "rule" to be a bit of a Fred thing, for lack of a better word. If riding with competent riders no one should be making such radical moves that overlapping wheels is an issue, but then again I guess on group rides you never know the quality of the riders around you?
re: So why does Phil keep saying that the crash ...Fausto
Jul 8, 2003 5:17 AM
When showing the crash, the video begins just prior to the Cofidis rider "chopping" the Kelme rider.

If you watch the original broadcast (I've got the stage on TiVo so I have the complete entry into the turn )you can see the Cofidis guy riding "sketchy".

Clearly Cofidis, not Kelme.
I have the original recorded on ...Live Steam
Jul 8, 2003 6:00 AM
my Panasonic DVD recorder and have watched it many times also. I just don't see it that way. Yes his rear wheel looks likes it hopped and slid a bit, but that is expected in a high speed turn like they had on that final sprint. I guess it's just a matter of perspective. Really no fault can be assigned. Banging, rubbing and such happen in every sprint.
'cause it was.noveread
Jul 8, 2003 6:26 AM
I've watched the crash many times now as well. It is racing, things happen. I still feel that it was not the Kelme rider's fault. The Cofidis rider definitely did not maintain his line. The Kelme rider did not "ride into the back wheel" of the cofidis rider, the cofidis rider came into the Kelme guy. That Cofidis rider was rather, uh, active, in the lead-up to the crash. You get to make your line, but a switch like that is not making your line, it's called taking out the field.

As for this wheel overlap business, have you ever ridden in a pack where there was no overlap? I sure have not. What's the peloton to do? Ride in a single file line all day? Ride in neat rows of 4 or 5?

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