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Touch of wheels and....boneman
Jul 6, 2003 10:06 AM
One stage and Hamilton, and Leipheimer are out. A great disappointment for both men who were targeting the Tour this year.

Did Gutierrez just unclip or did he touch wheels with the Confidis rider (Clain?), lose control and the unclip? Looked like the latter to me but the Eurosport feed was just switching angles. Anybody get a better look?
It looked like he unclipped. nmMajor Kong
Jul 6, 2003 10:10 AM
To me it looked like...Dwayne Barry
Jul 6, 2003 10:37 AM
he just took the corner too hot/sharp and unclipped to try to save it, which works well in mountain biking or cyclocross when you have mountain bike shoes, but road cleats usually slip out on asphalt like it's ice.
re: Very disappointedcyclejim
Jul 6, 2003 10:42 AM
I saw the crash on OLN but of course there really werent any details by the end of the show. I just read the report on cyclingnews.com. I am extremely disappointed that Tyler and Levi are out and perhaps badly hurt. They said Levi might have a broken pelvis and Tylers left arm was just hanging by his side as he crossed the line. I think this really changes the outlook for the Tour, I was looking forward to seeing what Tyler could do, especially that he is going so well this year. Major disappointment.

They also said Eki might be hurt, which could weaken Postal. Hmmm well maybe things will be interesting after all.
Tyler's out?Spoiler
Jul 6, 2003 10:53 AM
That wuss. He's got to learn that this is the Tour DAY FRANTZ! You don't just go after a little accident. Champions learn how to shake it off and continue.
Tyler's out?Ron B
Jul 6, 2003 11:07 AM
It's pretty tough to keep going with a broken collar bone. He's tough but not that tough.

He was riding well this year, sad to see him out so quickly. I guess his shoulders have been cursed when it comes to major tours.
is it hard to ride with your foot in your mouth? (nm)Frith
Jul 7, 2003 7:47 AM
Tyler's out?gala7516
Jul 7, 2003 3:36 PM
He shook it off!!!
Tyler's out?cyclejim
Jul 7, 2003 5:45 PM
I love being wrong.

lol
re: Very disappointedcyclejim
Jul 6, 2003 10:59 AM
I saw the crash on OLN but of course there really werent any details by the end of the show. I just read the report on cyclingnews.com. I am extremely disappointed that Tyler and Levi are out and perhaps badly hurt. They said Levi might have a broken pelvis and Tylers left arm was just hanging by his side as he crossed the line. I think this really changes the outlook for the Tour, I was looking forward to seeing what Tyler could do, especially that he is going so well this year. Major disappointment.

They also said Eki might be hurt, which could weaken Postal. Hmmm well maybe things will be interesting after all.
re: Very disappointedUcannotBsirius
Jul 6, 2003 11:32 AM
Did you notice the Euskatel guy just behind the initial crash? It looked like he bunny-hopped two fallen riders / bikes and kept upright. Impressive piece of bike control.

Nightmare that Hamilton & Leipheimer (sp?) are out. We Brits may have been dissapointed by Millar loosing the prologue by a mechanical, but at least he is still in the race.
re: Very disappointedcarbonxs
Jul 6, 2003 12:10 PM
yeah, I saw that Euskatel guy manage to stay upright. Judging by the way his back wheel went way up, it almost looks like he got hit in the back wheel while bunny hopping.

I couldn't believe he stayed up. nice bit of control.
That caught my eye, as well. Must be a mountainbiker...Stinky Hippie
Jul 6, 2003 4:07 PM
.in the off -season. it looked the equivalent of a 2 foot log crossing.

Very sad about hamilton and leipheimer -- leipheimer especially, given all he's been through health-wise
I believe there were two crashes....Bruno S
Jul 6, 2003 12:26 PM
to me it appeared that besides the crash on the right side of the field there is another, almost at the same time, just slightly ahead on the left side. An orange jersey rider hits the barriers and people start falling. In either case it is a tragedy to lose Tyler and Levi who promised big things on this year's tour. No more chance for an all american podium.
i noticed that too, if you look closelyEpicX
Jul 6, 2003 1:04 PM
if you look closely, you'll see a Telekom rider that looks like Vinokourov get forced from about center screen to the left. he just keeps drifting then WHAM! he hits the barriers and all these bodies start flying. crazy.
You are correct. Crash 1 freeze frame.firstrax
Jul 6, 2003 5:40 PM
Start of crash 2 freeze framefirstrax
Jul 6, 2003 5:42 PM
Good work on the freeze frames, but.........lanterne rouge
Jul 6, 2003 7:46 PM
I believe what you call crash "two" is a direct result of crash "one". I believe that Mederic Clain (who I think is the Cofidis rider) cut Gutierrez wheel causing him to unclip and go down. What followed was a cascade of riders going down, from right to left if you are facing the crash. I believe the Telekom rider (Vinokourov?) was just naturally swerving to his right to avoid the crash and just so happened to take the riders to his right side into the barricades. If you look closely I believe that is a Postal rider just to the left (again, if you are facing the crash) of the Telekom rider, maybe Lance?
After watching it again....lanterne rouge
Jul 6, 2003 8:00 PM
I think Gutierrez just came into the corner a little too fast and skidded with his rear wheel and lost it. Just an accident! Too bad it resulted in a lot of people going down, but that is racing sometimes. So my apologies to Mederic Clain, he didn't cut Gutierrez wheel as stated in my previous post.
Sorry for Tyler and Levijptaylorsg
Jul 6, 2003 1:17 PM
Especially for Tyler, as (I believe) he's older. The guy just seems to be snakebit. Much as we might hate to admit it, luck plays a huge role in these things, talent and training be damned. Lance has had some unbelievable luck, and I just hope it keeps holding up.
Did you notice the bunny hop?Bacco
Jul 6, 2003 2:10 PM
A biker in an orange jersey right behind the first two guys to go down on the right of the screen, appeared to jumped his bike over the leg(?) of one of the two guys laying on the ground. It was pretty impressive that he remained upright and rode through this mess!
Saw itmickey-mac
Jul 6, 2003 3:27 PM
That was a very impressive piece of bike-handling. I thought he was going over the bars, but he managed to stay upright. Another rider appeared to try the same thing just behind him and to his right but was less fortunate.
Did you notice the bunny hop? Yeah Pretty Cool!!!Swat Dawg
Jul 6, 2003 5:36 PM
I picked him out and was waiting for him to go down, when he didn't I about crapped my pants. That is some of the best handling I've seen, especially out of a roadie.
That wasnt a bunny hop.firstrax
Jul 6, 2003 5:57 PM
He man-handled the bike over a couple of riders. I recorded it to my hard drive and was able to watch it frame by frame. His wheels never had air under them. I'm not faulting him, there was no time to do anything but try and keep the bike upright. Still very impresive handling skills.
Cofidis rider or CA rider...noveread
Jul 6, 2003 6:00 PM
Yeah, the Kelme guy was the first to go down, but I think it was because the Cofidis rider came right across his front wheel. I really don't think it was the fault of the Kelme rider. What I couldn't tell was whether the Cofidis rider was forced into taking out the Kelme guy by the Credit Agricole rider. That was where the chain reaction seemed to start. CA rider goes into Cofidis rider forcing him wide which takes him into the wheel of the Kelme rider.

Noveread
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Tyler will decide tomorrow whether or not to continue (nm)BAi9302010
Jul 6, 2003 7:27 PM