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So, Cipo's out, but whats with the climbing bike...(19 posts)

So, Cipo's out, but whats with the climbing bike...sievers11
May 22, 2003 5:59 AM
This is a quote directly from Velonew.com

"Cipollini's abandon means he won't be using the special bike the team had prepared for the world champion. For the steep, menacing climb to the Monte Zoncolan summit, Cipollini was going to ride a full-suspension mountain bike fitted with road tires."

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/3961.0.html

I want to see cipo in the tour just as much as the next guy, but with fears that he won't make it through the mountains...is the solution to give him a moutain bike. Is this serious or is velonews making a joke. Wouldn't it make more sense to just give him a triple.

what is the deal? any one seen picts of this full suspension climbing machine?
a wild guess.....ClydeTri
May 22, 2003 6:05 AM
Some marketing deal..he would start appearing in ads for the bike soon after the giro...
to continue....ClydeTri
May 22, 2003 6:07 AM
a HEAVY f/s mtb would make no sense..you can get same gearing on a road frame by changing out parts...had to be marketing..
doesn't? sure doescyclopathic
May 22, 2003 6:52 AM
you can make time going down, esp on hairy descent
weight penalty isn't that big you can build FS under 20lbs with fat tires. Changing to slicks would reduce it by extra ~2lbs
How?TJeanloz
May 22, 2003 8:01 AM
How would you make up time on the descent? There aren't rocks or anything in the road - why would the dual-suspension allow you to go faster?
they are fasterDougSloan
May 22, 2003 8:13 AM
There is a road near here with some 55 mph descents; you may recall my talking about it when doing some tests on the cervelo vs. normal road bikes.

I easily went just as fast on a full suspension road bike with 1.5 inch slicks as on the Cervelo when there were turns. Suspension, as with cars, makes the tires stick better, so you can push the bike to the limits with far more confidence.

I still don't think you'd make up for the weight and efficiency penalties on the climbs, though.

Doug
psDougSloan
May 22, 2003 8:15 AM
I forgot to mention that I went "just as fast" (as recently) 5 years ago when my road descending skills were not nearly as sharp as they are now; I have no doubt I'd go faster on the fs bike than a road bike now.

Doug
re: So, Cipo's out, but whats with the climbing bike...BikeViking
May 22, 2003 6:07 AM
That doesn't make any sense. I haven't done a great deal of climbing, but to haul a heavier, full-suspension MTB up Zoncalan would be nuts. Lighter is better when riding up inclines.
This discussion should be in the giro forum.......nmallezrider
May 22, 2003 6:13 AM
because of his sholder?...sievers11
May 22, 2003 6:14 AM
Do you think it is possible they were scrambling last night to get a FS MTB ready for the next day because of the extensive brusing of his sholder?

This is all I can think of, because why else would you need FS in a road race.
I read the article - Why would he use ...Live Steam
May 22, 2003 6:32 AM
a full suspension MTB? It weighs a ton compared to his road bike. This has to be a bad joke I guess. Like you said, a triple would be all he would need at most. A 39/26 would probably do.
Would FS be legal? How in god's name would it helpOldEdScott
May 22, 2003 6:34 AM
him climb? That's nutty on its face.
Would FS be legal? How in god's name would it helpClydeTri
May 22, 2003 6:47 AM
UCI guys would run to the rulebook on this one..they are legal in mtbike racing which UCI controls...only positive would be to cushion him, making it easier on a bum shoulder. If you completely tricked out the best f/s mtb you can get them down near 20 lbs. I still say it might be marketing...was/is going to appear in ads for the mtb...
might be legalDougSloan
May 22, 2003 8:09 AM
It's a diamond frame. You'd have to put drop bars on it, but otherwise I think it meets UCI regulations for road bikes. I'm not aware of any restrictions against suspension, except for novelty, but I don't think that would apply.

Doug
re: might be legalsievers11
May 22, 2003 9:08 AM
There are restictions on wheel base and tube size...so their might be problems. But, the UCI has a track record of making up rules on the fly, in the name of integrity and historical perspective.
Yeah, remember Graeme Obree...Frank Tuesday
May 22, 2003 3:47 PM
Verbruggen standing in the middle of the track trying to stop Graeme, but he just pedalled faster. Hein jumped out of the way at the last moment. Claimed it was an "unwritten" rule that was broken and disqualified him.

Frank
Yeah, remember Graeme Obree...atpjunkie
May 22, 2003 9:28 PM
yes I do. poor chap with all his crazy new riding positions, superman etc... I just can't fathom doing 50 plus mph on my FS MTB. no problem on a road bike, I think I'd get twitchy on an MTB.
I would speculate that it would be more like the serrotta (nm)TJeanloz
May 23, 2003 8:12 AM
Sounds like a marketing stuntfracisco
May 22, 2003 12:47 PM
I read the preview of the stage on cyclingnews, the one where some locals went up the climb and took photos. They described the road as being rough, and barely suitable for riding on.

Maybe it's just one of those Cipo things to do: Comment about the state of the road by riding a mountainbike. It would get his name in an article about the stage, since he would not have got any press for coming in 20 minutes down from Simoni.