May 21, 2003 9:40 AM
|Cipo crashes out! Can he finish the Giro?
|LOL||JS Haiku Shop|
May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
|typical SI readers need to be reminded of the relationship of meters to yards (?).
"Visibly shaken and holding himself in pain, Cipollini eventually got up and finished the last 150 meters (yards) of the stage."
I was amused but not surprised at this.
|he'll be back||climbo|
May 21, 2003 10:31 AM
|i'm sure he'll suck it up and come back tomorrow. If not, he goes out as a wimp in my book.
Metres don't equal yards anyway so they are wrong to start with, maybe football fans don't know the difference.
May 21, 2003 1:21 PM
|are you kiddin me?! Did you see that crash? it was awful... he hit those barriers hard enough to send him airborne and let him bounce back down, he hit heavily on one of his shoulders (not sure which) but he was holding it in pain finishing and after the stage.
If i crashed like that it prolly would have taken me 20 minutes to get up... u couldn't have seen it cuz u definately need to before you can say he is a wimp.
|that looked like a race car crash. (nm)||rufus|
May 21, 2003 4:44 PM
May 21, 2003 4:47 PM
|that's a crazy hard crash, i'm amazed he got up at all, i wouldn't have. dumb move by galvez.|
|dumb move? why?||climbo|
May 21, 2003 4:54 PM
|he rode his line, he slid out, not exactly dumb, just bad luck.|
May 21, 2003 5:14 PM
|I think cipo came in on his right quick the rider might have lost control but sh!t happens.If I were going to come around I would have waited a little longer after the turn.
But what do I now I only race Cat 4!
Cipo had it and I would be pissed at as well!You get angry at what ever you can when your that pissed!
|What line ?????||DY|
May 21, 2003 8:39 PM
|I think he choose an un-makable line considering the conditions. I think that qualifies as an error in his judgment.|
|What line ?????||climbo|
May 22, 2003 3:21 AM
|he was on the inside going dead straight in behind McEwen, I wouldn't call that unmakeable. Robbie made it. Other riders have taken the same line behind him also. Look at the video, the guy right behind takes the exact same line and he goes through OK. What is he supposed to do??? It's bike racing, bad luck Cipo but that's how it goes.|
|Yeah but McEwen made it...||Dwayne Barry|
May 22, 2003 3:40 AM
|because he could drift out, when Galvez followed his jump and didn't get clear of Cipo he was screwed because he couldn't drift wide through the corner because Cipo was right there on his shoulder.|
|still not a dumb move||climbo|
May 22, 2003 4:13 AM
|look again, his line is not that tight, McEwen and many others went in almost the exact same line through that corner and didn't crash. McEwen was smart to take advantage of being able to swing out a bit but not everyone else behind could do that. Do you guys race? Are you telling me you wouldn't take that line if you were there? If so, I ask you, what would you do in that situation? You have to take the corner somehow, you can't stop. It's not like he's going to slam on the brakes right there. If it was me, I'd do what Galvez did also, it's just bad luck that he slipped out.|
May 22, 2003 12:58 PM
|Standard cornering practice is to swing out and 'dive' into apex. watch the overhead camera, this is what Cippo and McEwan did. This puts you at a better line through the corner, rule applies in auto, motorcycle, bicycle racing etc... countersteer out and dive through turn, provides more control and less of a lateral 'G-slip' through turn. Galvez tried to cut inside and pass on inside of corner where physics is going to bring you wide into guy in front and outside. It happens in car racing all the time with plenty of contact and wrecks. Motocrossers use it for the 'block pass' where it is the only place it is considered a respectable move (but if done wrong can cause fights). Would I have tried it in a race (I do race)? maybe. Would I have tried it in a wet corner? still maybe. Would I feel like a horses ass had I tried it and caused a wreck? definitely. It was a risky maneuver and it didn't pay. It was a lousy line, it's why it was open. Galvez took the risk and now he and Cippo are out. DUMB|
|Yes the smart line!||the bull|
May 23, 2003 6:42 PM
|Every one single file please! WHATEVER!|
May 27, 2003 7:17 PM
|damn physics just doesn't have a place here, or the peloton I guess. Hopefully we'll get another poor cornering decision demonstration with fatal results on a wet mountain descent and you guys can defend that line as well.|
|...not Canadian football fans! nm||Spunout|
May 21, 2003 1:31 PM
May 21, 2003 1:47 PM
|he looked like he either broke his collarbone (probably out), or separated his shoulder (depending on which and how severe the ligament damage maybe he could continue).|
|yeah really wimpy...||CharlesTT|
May 21, 2003 6:23 PM
|Its really hard to ride, or sprint, with a hurt collerbone, even if the x-rays show nothing, he might not be able to ride. In other words, dont even talk.|
|Galvez' line IMHO||atpjunkie|
May 21, 2003 6:33 PM
|was too tight and too fast. Mario and McEwan took the correct line through that corner. Galvez came in hard on the inside and lost it trying to hold the line, G's brought him into Mario. It's why Cippo wagged his finger at him. It was a risky line and the consequence was pretty predictable especially with those weather conditions. I think Mcewan was smart to get out in front. it was only about 100-150 meters from the finish and that favors his quickness over Mario's dragster horsepower.|
|Cipo out of Giro... one more look at crash...||YoungRcR|
May 22, 2003 4:40 AM
|After seeing the crash 20 million times, it looked to me as if Cipo maybe closed in on Galvez's shoulder a little too close, I think Galvez clearly had the inside line but Cipo maybe closed in on his shoulder a little too much... doesnt matter really but it was a nasty crash.
Nothin broken but he still pulled out, cant blame him. When i seperated my shoulder it was like hell, you can do anything, not even take a crap without pain in your back and shoulder, much less tackle the hardest climbing stages of the giro and then try to get more sprint wins. Its sad to see him go, i think he is a great rider but he accomplished his goal and will be back next year!
May 22, 2003 6:58 AM
|Tyler rode most of the Giro last year with a broken shoulder. Was in so much pain that he had to have 12 teeth capped from grinding them. Just a comparison.
Me, I've both broken and separated my shoulder in two cycling accidents. It hurts bad. What some people may not realize is that even though the shoulder itself is the worst injury, if you fall hard enough to mess up your shoulder you probably also injure a lot of other things, like bruised or broken ribs, etc.
May 22, 2003 9:52 AM
|Tyler might have had slightly better motivation because of his high overall asperations. Cipo didnt have too much reason to continue on, but i agree that Tyler's performance, guts, and huge tolerance for pain is very very impressive.|
|that guy deserves winning||cyclopathic|
May 23, 2003 3:51 AM
|I was really happy to see him winning LBL|
|re: crash! (spoiler)||kokaku|
May 22, 2003 12:15 PM
|Is there any video online of the crash?|| |