|More questions about various Giro jerseys and competitions||vindicator|
May 16, 2003 9:09 AM
|Here's my understanding gleaned from OLN and something of an explanation at the Daily Peloton website, with some assumptions thrown in - please confirm or correct me, I'm new at this:
This is based on accumulated time. Exceptions -
a) First three finishers in each stage (including TTS or not?) get time bonuses.
b) First three finishers to cross the "inter-Giro sprint" line (not in TTs) get time bonuses.
c) If there is no daylight between you and the guy in front of you at the 1km to go mark, you get the same time in the GC (excluding time bonuses) as the entire group that has no daylight. Example, a group of 40 - ten deep and 4 across - crosses the 1km line with no daylight gaps. Four of them go on to contest the sprint well ahead of the other 36. Of those four, the top three get time bonuses but other than that all 40 get the same time in the GC as the stage winner. The 41st rider who was a bit off the back at 1km gets his actual time crossing the finish line.
King of the mountains:
Not all stages have climbs for points, and some have more than one. Depending on the rating of the climb, a certain number of riders get a certain number of points for being first (or second, third, etc.) to cross the line at the top of each climb. More points and more riders getting points for more difficult climbs. Mountaintop finishes also count. Points leader wears the jersey and final points leader wins this title.
Points competition - you get a certain number of points for your place (if you place high enough) in each stage, and you get points (if you place high enough) for when you cross the "Inter-Giro sprint" line. Points leader wears the jersey and final points leader wins this title.
Inter-Giro - there is one "inter-giro" line per stage. How is its placement chosen? Halfway? At a flat? This is a cumulative time competition, like the GC. Everyone in the entire race gets credited with the time of the first guy to cross that line, except that the first six get defined time bonuses depending on their place at crossing that line. Lowest cumulative time wears the jersey and final lowest cumulative time is the winner of that competition.
Again, please confirm or correct.
Also, if anyone has similar info on the Tour de France, please post!
|Some Answers||Dwayne Barry|
May 16, 2003 10:34 AM
|a) Yes, I think it's 20, 12, and 8 seconds in the Giro. Usually there are no time bonuses for TT's, I assume that is true for this Giro.
b)Yes, I think 6, 4, and 2 seconds.
c)No, you're confusing a couple of rules. The time gaps are at the finish line. I think it's anything greater than 1 second between 2 consecutive riders leads to the 2nd rider (and anybody in his group) being split-timed. So if you go through the finish in 100th place but 99th place was a good second ahead (i.e. a noticieable gap in the group) you lose how ever many seconds you cross the line behind the time of the stage winner. The 1km rule is in the event of a crash or mechanical inside the final km you get the same time as the bunch whether it takes you 30 more seconds or 10 minutes to get across the finish line. But if the bunch just splits up inside the final km or whenever, and there is a gap to your group you lose time.
Intergiro is usually in a town that sponsers it (usually some minor prize on offer).
|Thanks, and another question on the 1km rule||vindicator|
May 16, 2003 11:04 AM
|Assume you and I are in the middle/rear of the pack, and the pack all cross the 1km line together, then there's a crash that delays us and 8 other riders. 20 riders were in front of the crash and weren't affected. Of those 20, 4 contest the sprint and they all finish at 4:00:00, 3 more at 4:00:02, and 13 at 4:00:10. The 10 of us finally get clear of the crash, but we divide over the last 1km and 5 of us (including you) finish in 4:03:00 and 5 of us (including me) at 4:03:05. What time do you and I get credited with?
|From stage 1 of Giro.||Dwayne Barry|
May 16, 2003 11:27 AM
|Popovych (a minor favorite for the top-10 in GC), crashed inside the final kilometer and finshed about 2 minutes down, but was given the same time as the stage winner, Petacchi. However, there was a "natural" split in the bunch and only a handful of guys finished with Petacchi's time, most everyone else lost a few seconds. So in effect Popovych picked up a few seconds on the other GC contenders, they complained, and Popovych's time was changed to the same time as the main bunch and not Petacchi's group.
So, I imagine this is just something that is decided by the race jury. In your scenario, I would guess that everyone delayed by the crash would get the same time as the 13 riders who represent the main bunch, as it is.
But the spirit of the rule, is designed to prevent GC favorites from losing time due to a stupid crash in a sprint finish. Right now, some riders are calling for extending the "safety window" out to 3 or even 5k, so that GC riders and their teams don't have to be at the front protecting their GC rider and mixing it up with the sprinters team until the final km when they can back off.
|Tour de France||Dwayne Barry|
May 16, 2003 10:46 AM
|Much more simple:
GC is the same.
Mountains basically the same except there are cat. 4 thru cat. 1 climbs, and then even HC climbs (hors categorie, which means above category and offer the most/deepest points). I think the Giro only designates cat. 3 to 1 climbs, and then there is the Cima Coppi prize which is the high point of the Giro (not sure if there are more points for this than a cat. 1 climb).
In the Tour the points competition can more rightly be called a sprinter's competition because there are more points on offer on flat stages than on mountain stages. Plus, there are lots of intermdiate sprints out on the stages that offer points and time bonuses (like 2 or 3 during each stage). There is no competition like the intergiro in the tour.
The other competition that is important in all grand tours is the team competition because winning it in any grand tour gets you an invite to all the grand tours the following year. This is usually calculated by adding the times of the 3 best finishers on each stage from each team. Lowest aggregate time at the end wins.
The tour also has a best young rider competition (white jersey) which is nothing more than the highest placed GC rider under a certain age (25 I think).