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Is Cipo finished?(14 posts)

Is Cipo finished?speedisgood
May 13, 2003 6:15 PM
After our weekly Tuesday night championships, a bunch of guys were talking about the Giro, of course, and the talk turned to Cipo's presence, or lack thereof, in the sprints so far. So has the rainbow jersey been too great of a burden on his shoulders or is everyone just that much faster? I suppose it doesn't matter which, the bottom line is that Cipo's not getting it done. So the $20,000 question is: Will Cipo come back in the Giro and get Binda's record or is he toast, succumbing to the World Championship curse??
NO......and about RobbieCharlesTT
May 13, 2003 6:30 PM
There are a few flat stages left and i could see him winning at least 2 stages. On stage 1, they learned that they need to have a rider behind cipo in the lead-out, so its harder for anyone to come around him. Easier said than done. Just watch, he'll win some.

About Robbie, i have never read anything about him being a loud-mouth in the pelaton. In all of his interviews, he is just his calm, for an aussi, self. I dont hate him, i think he is a real star for the next couple of years.
almost , but don't count him out yet... Cipo's comments.velocity
May 14, 2003 6:29 AM
Cipo's comments re yesterday's stage from Eurosport.

"If my team stayed with me in the last hill I could have come back in the bunch but I am not angry. I'm not in great condition... I was disappointed by the defeat in Sanremo, then I prepared well for the Giro but the results are not as I thought. I'm still concentrated, if I don't win anymore it's because I'm old now, I'm 36... The only thing positive for me in this Giro is the love of the public... It happened in the past that I began a bad Giro and then I won, I hope it will be the same in this Giro."
Looks like part of the problem...(stage 5 spoiler)Dwayne Barry
May 14, 2003 7:08 AM
is the DV team isn't firing on all points. Cipo complained they didn't wait for him yesterday to get him back to the front group, and then today Lombardi led out Petacchi too close to the line and Cipo couldn't come around him (although no one got by Cipo). Lombardi knows better than that, he should have pulled off early and left Petacchi in the wind to fade as the line approached. Maybe Lombardi is a little disenchanted with Cipo still after GW? He's tried to go in several breaks already in the Giro, and today also showed him to be less than a 100% dedicated lead-out man (or than again maybe he just miscalculated).
Looks like part of the problem...(stage 5 spoiler)divve
May 14, 2003 9:31 AM
I think it was those flexy flyweight Ada wheels versus superior Cosmic Carbone:)
Lombardi....atpjunkie
May 14, 2003 10:40 AM
lead out was fine, maybe a tiny bit late. It looked to me as Cippo had him and then faded a tad, where Petacchi then beat him in the reach. I don't think it actually mattered, Petacchi was just a tad stronger or quicker at the line. Lombardi has always been allowed to take flyers if Mario is out of contention. He takes a few stages this way and it's considered payback for all the leadouts he does do. Otherwise his career would be one of the most frustrating known. They have radios and Lombardi wouldn't go without his manager and Mario's blessing.
So, what do you think...Dwayne Barry
May 14, 2003 11:49 AM
the radio was telling Lombardi at GW this year?
You're probably right I'm reading too much into it, it just looks like to me Lombardi has tried to get into a couple of breaks this Giro before Cipo was out of it yet, and you would think he would have pulled off as soon as he saw it was Petacchi on his wheel and not Cipollini.
So, what do you think...atpjunkie
May 14, 2003 7:48 PM
it's not Lombardi's duty to pull Cippo back to the front. as a leadout, Lombardi, like Mario only 'pulls' in the sprint. Leadout men don't do the dirty work, that's for the rest of the team. (I have been a #2, I release the leadout) Otherwise he'd be too tired to do what they pay him for. Day 2 after Pantani's stunt Mario had no chance to rejoin whatsoever and 2 days ago he was still about 10-20 seconds behind with 2K left, no chance. Lombardi marks and waits, if Mario doesn't show he's on his own. Glory for the Team from your leadout guy beats no glory at all. Lombardi and Mario go way back, he'd be on his A$$ if he was pissing Mario off. He could have pulled off sooner but Mario was in a good position, Petacchi was in that slot on day 1 and beat him, he couldn't return the deed. reason, Petacchi right now is stronger. If the leadout pulls off too soon, Mario will get by a tiring Petacchi (maybe...., it looked as if Mario blew at the line) but has the vulnerability of getting passwed from behind. Those guys are good for about 300m max, so leadout has to take them to that point.
pretty much, unlesscyclopathic
May 15, 2003 4:47 AM
he digs deep and rides himself into form by the end of Giro. THis is not WC curse, he didn't train much and he is not motivated. Last year when Saeco dropped him he was angry, he wanted to prove and now looking on how he rides I never though I'd say they did right thing.
pretty much, unlessatpjunkie
May 15, 2003 6:25 PM
true, anger is a great motivator. look what it does for Lance. Cipo had a bone to pick last year, now he's WC and I bet all the free dinners, vacations and models he's been with haven't helped his form. He should ride into form soon.
No one anticipated...cipolini2b
May 16, 2003 8:14 AM
...Alessandro Petacchi to be as good as he is. I think Cipo is up against a much stronger group of riders this year then in previous years. Also, he was set to peak during MSR, which I think he did, he won the field sprint handily. His form is off, and the emergence of Petacchi kills his morale. I think he's done for this giro. He may not even finish it.
No one anticipated...atpjunkie
May 16, 2003 2:00 PM
what do you mean "No one anticipated..." Velonews picked him big time in their 2003 Team issue. MArio is off form and aging. Binda's record may hold.
No one anticipated...cipolini2b
May 18, 2003 11:30 PM
well come on, to be that much better than cipo in the first week? Cipo was the clear favourite...that is what i meant. hats off to petacchi though! what a rider!
No one anticipated...atpjunkie
May 19, 2003 2:25 PM
well Cippo didn't have the pre season results he did last year so his game has been 'off'. now he's been snubbed (LeClare TdF) and can ride angry.