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Pantani with a helmet and Shimano ?(13 posts)

Pantani with a helmet and Shimano ?DougSloan
May 11, 2003 12:19 PM
What's the world coming to? Can't even recognize Pantani; don't think I ever saw him with a helmet. Plus, no Campagnolo or Bianchi. Sheesh.

re: Pantani with a helmet and Shimano ?texbaz
May 11, 2003 3:36 PM
We probably would not have recognized him without the helmet either. Here the man has his ears worked on and he is made to wear a helmet!
apparently he wants the rule changedDougSloan
May 11, 2003 4:04 PM
I hear during the race that is is organizing opposition to the rule. Said it makes him sweat too much and reduces visability. The sweat part I can partially buy, but that last part is a crock.

crock? not reallycyclopathic
May 12, 2003 3:51 AM
you don't see much with sweat in your eyes
do they sweat more than us?DougSloan
May 12, 2003 6:21 AM
Do pros sweat a lot more than we do? I managed to ride 508 miles continuously in the desert in 106 degree heat and 35,000 feet of climbing with a helmet on the whole time, and still could see just fine. I think they can handle a few hills with them on.

Come to the east coast and see...Dwayne Barry
May 12, 2003 7:14 AM
how it is, 90 degree days with 90 percent humidity are bad. I typically end any hard ride or race with my eyes stinging from sweat and my glasses salt encrusted. I'm sure without a helmet this would be a lot less severe.
May 12, 2003 7:20 AM
plus intensity make huge difference. Here on East Coast we're blessed with 95deg and 85% humidity days, I know how it feels. Also riding 508 at steady pace is diff from road race hilltop finishes.

Agree, none is an excuse.
why they make those do rags....atpjunkie
May 12, 2003 3:08 PM
Pantani is famous for. Look what other sport allows people to race at 60 plus mph with no safety equipment? How many Kivilevs did it take? fashion equals death. Best UCI decision in years.
Well actually...Dwayne Barry
May 13, 2003 5:29 AM
I can't remember another pro-rider dying as a result of not wearing a helmet. Nicole Rienhardt had one on, Casartelli hit his face on a concrete block, that guy who died in Argentina was run into head-on by a truck (I think). The Ochoa brothers were run over from behind at 60 mph (which wasn't a race situation, did they have helmets on, would it have helped?) It's even debateable whether or not Kivilev died as a result of not wearing a helmet since he had a basilar skull fracture, which usually occur due to hyperextension of the neck, not an impact (then again the impact on his cranium could have been where the swelling originated). I think the relative sparcity of pro deaths due to head injuries actually indicates the amazingly low chance of smacking your head hard enough to cause injury in a race situation.

And those do-rags only work until they're soaked, which doesn't take long because there's no wind blowing over your forehead to evaporate the sweat so it collects in the pads on the front of the helmet (and the do-rag) and then starts streaming down your forehead. Riding without a helmet definitely takes care of this problem. For me, it just comes down to weighing the sure discomfort of salt in the eyes with the low probability of having an accident. I almost always wear a helmet, but there are situations in which I don't because the already low probability of having an accident are miniscule due to the circumstances.
pad purgingDougSloan
May 13, 2003 7:01 AM
When my helmet pads swell with sweat, I purge them by looking down and pressing the front of the helmet against my forhead; makes the sweat stream out; then they can soak up some more for a while. Works great on long climbs (where I'm going much slower and have less cooling air than a pro).

I agree with most...atpjunkie
May 13, 2003 7:47 PM
a helmet would have softened and absorbed much of the impact that Kiv took IMHO. It may have absorbed enough shock to prevent the basilar fracture which is a whiplash type break (Dale Earnhardt). Kiv's skull slammed cheek first and bounced back, it may have saved him. I agree though on probablity, on long hot low traffic climbs I remove my helmet and re apply for the descent. I just like my brain I guess, I think it's important enough to protect. Don't want to end up like Gary Busey.
Agree with your death toll but that is just in recent decade or so, we'd have to look back a bit further, I'm sure there are plenty.
re: Pantani with a helmet and Shimano ?Spoiler
May 11, 2003 5:56 PM
That's the safety trade-off. The races will seem a little less human. Instead of a peleton made up of a bunch of individual, working men, it's not a mass of warriors in uniform.
It's like like watching football versus basketball, just a bunch of colorful helmets battling it out, wait for the replay to figure out who did what.
Wait for the mountain top finishes when helmets are optional. You'll notice a difference in how involved you are and how you relate. It won't just be because of the nature of climbing, you will be seeing a human face behind the effort, sweat running down and soaking hair.
Besides, Pantani just looks goofier wearing a helmet.
UCI is smart....CharlesTT
May 11, 2003 7:39 PM
UCI will not change the rules, if they are smart. You never really see Pantani until the final climb, which at that point, if the climb is longer than 5k, he can get rid of his helmet. Maybe if the italians are so into the style thing, they could get stylish helmets of some sort.....i dont know......