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Thanks Lance, second feels great. Love, Roberto nmsprockets2
Sep 30, 2002 8:56 AM
don't eat the brown acidmr_spin
Sep 30, 2002 9:18 AM
What an idiotic comment. Did you even watch the race? What could Lance have done for Roberto?

Only if Heras could draft Armstrong during the time trials could Lance have made any difference.
I'm no big fan of...Wayne
Sep 30, 2002 11:01 AM
Lance, but you can't lay that one on him. Only if you think Heras burned himself out in July could you maybe blame it on Lance(which he knew was his obligation when he signed the contract). Even the weak team he had never really hurt him, and with the help from A&S guys, he was never put under any physical pressure although he probably had some nervous moments when he was isolated. Heras lost because he doesn't have the sustainable power of Armstrong, he can accelerate away from others on the steep climbs but then he doesn't open the huge gaps like Armstrong does nor can he ride a great TT for the same reason.
Help me with something here...DeRanger
Sep 30, 2002 1:06 PM
...if Heras doesn't have the gifts, how did he win the Vuelta in 2000? A better Kelme squad? Less competition? Stronger legs? Dumb luck?

Personally I think Roberto did need more help than he got from the Posties this time out (a healthy Chechu would've been nice, for example).

different beastmr_spin
Sep 30, 2002 2:05 PM
The 2000 Vuelta had 5 mountain-top finishes and no team time trial. It also was moved forward in the year so it wouldn't conflict with the Olympics, and several top contenders dropped out halfway through to train/rest for the Olympics. Jan Ullrich, for instance, who was the returning champion.
Sep 30, 2002 3:08 PM
...that helps a lot.

The Posties didn't do poorly in the 02 Vuelta TTT, so they didn't really hurt Roberto there. I didn't think of the Olympic effect - sounds like he faced a (somewhat) lower level of competition.

DeR (<---- still thinks AG is a pud no matter how well he rides...)
I'm no big fan of...atpjunkie
Sep 30, 2002 7:20 PM
Wayne you're correct IMHO. It's like the second Pyrrenese stage in the TdF. Lance ran as bait to crack Beloki and to get Heras the stage but Heras couldn't drop Beloki and forced LA to take the stage. He just can't open it up and keep openng it up yet on a day to day basis. He also needs big help in the TT. Jeez 3 minutes in 41 k with all the marbles on the line? He had the chance to win and couldn't make the kill with a minute plus advantage. Kinda hard to blame the team when you lose an Individual TT so grossly.
More like "Thanks Asshole"!! (nm)taar44
Sep 30, 2002 1:37 PM
Yes, you certainly are ! nmcyclejim
Sep 30, 2002 6:52 PM
2000 Vueltaatpjunkie
Sep 30, 2002 7:12 PM
had more hills, played into a "true Climber" like Heras's strengths.
2002 didn't have as many hills especially super steep ones, was shorter distance (overall) and had gawd knows how many sprint finishes. Like another poster here said also, Heras couldn't open a gap and crank it like LA. He needed more time and Aitor hung tough, minimizing his losses on those stages then rode the TT of his life to take the gold. He beat second by over a minute in that TT, that is a man on a mission. His Mission is a fat 2003 contract, my guess....Telekom. I think his (AG) boasting gonna kill him in the Alps.
2000 Vueltaflying
Sep 30, 2002 9:28 PM
I dunno about AG signing with Telekom but I did read this.......

Lefevere hoping for a Gonzalez win
Patrick Lefevere, manager of the Quick Step-Davitamon team, is hoping that Aitor Gonzalez wins the Vuelta tomorrow. Gonzalez, together with Kelme teammate Juan Jose de los Angeles, is reportedly close to signing for Quick Step, with just a few formalities to be sorted out.

Kind of appropriate. I use to like lefevere but recently he has shown diff colors in the way he handles biz. I know Eddy Merckx is disgusted with him right now.
2000 Vueltaatpjunkie
Oct 1, 2002 11:40 AM
it's the new Mapei Squad. Going to be based in Belgium sans Mapei. If Jan signs with CSC Tiscali, DT is going to have a big bankroll to spend on a new GC honch. With DT spreading into US with T Mobile they'll probably have extra dough (unless they blew it all on Zeta Jones). I think AG will wait for the bids to come in before he signs with anybody as he's now the hot commodity.
Just a business point,TJeanloz
Oct 3, 2002 4:17 AM
DT isn't just now spreading into the U.S. with "T-Mobile"; they bought Voicestream more than 2 years ago, and have just now realized that Jamie-Lee Curtis wasn't doing anything to help the Voicestream brand, so the re-branded internationally as "T-Mobile". Your statement would be a bit like saying, "now that AT&T is in the wireless market with 'M-Life'..."

But your point is taken, I'm just nitpicking really...
Just a business point,atpjunkie
Oct 3, 2002 11:14 AM
point taken, nitpicker. but before the T-Mobile change you didn't see the big pink T anywhere. I work in advertising so I'm well aware of the Voicestream bit. Buying into an existing business (voicestream) is a whole different gig than branding and marketing your own company on a new continent. How many Americans (sans cyclists) were aware of the big T before? Now you see it everywhere. VoiceStream did nothing to bring T awareness to America. How many new converts to cycling next year will see DT racing in the TdF and now make a connection to their cell phone that they never would have with VoiceStream? That was my point.
I think you're right...DeRanger
Oct 6, 2002 9:31 AM someone who had no idea about any of the background behind this, I saw one of the T Mobile ads, saw the "T," and immediately wondered if it was affiliated with Deutsche Telekom.

DeR (...I'm one of the suckers you ad guys look for...)
I think you're right...atpjunkie
Oct 7, 2002 1:41 PM
yes, my point exactly. You can buy a foreign company to get into a market but to make your brand visible to the consumer is a whole 'nother process. and you like many others is now aware of the big pink T.
It's been a good campaign