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A&S working for Heras...how 'bout that!(13 posts)

A&S working for Heras...how 'bout that!enclavecat
Sep 26, 2002 7:01 AM
I wonder what this deal is going to cost him?
re: A&S working for Heras...how 'bout that!Sintesi
Sep 26, 2002 7:10 AM
Heras is showing some real courage on this climb. Not much to go as I type. Very exciting.
I couldn't believe that either.fracisco
Sep 26, 2002 8:30 AM
It almost seems like it's an "anti-Kelme" day out on the road.

I won't say more than it's a great stage to watch.
I couldn't believe that either.atpjunkie
Sep 26, 2002 9:31 AM
well they haven't made many friends over the last 2 weeks. I think some guys (A&S) may be lobbying for Postal positions. Or maybe Postal helped pace earlier stages for Cippo. Would love to know the politics behind this.
Its like old times?flying
Sep 26, 2002 10:28 AM
I remember someone once said Sean Kelly could have won more but he sat on his wallet.
Whether or not it is true I have read folks like Paul Kimmage say you can buy temp help in most races.
Kelly never did hence the statement about sitting on his wallet ;-)
Its like old times?atpjunkie
Sep 26, 2002 12:55 PM
look for a USPS ONCE pact tomorrow to try and get Beloki close enought to take Sevillas podium spot in the TT. I don't think it's decided in many ways yet.
yesrufus
Sep 26, 2002 12:55 PM
in the old days, it was a fairly common practice that arrangements between teams for some type of monetary compensation would occur. not sure how common it still is today, but i'm sure that when it happens, it's definitely not spoken about.

wonder how much this is gonna cost us postal?
yesatpjunkie
Sep 26, 2002 1:48 PM
yup, I think tomorrow since Beloki has a shot at the podium and Once has had a rivalry with Kelme since the Spanish Civil wars of the 99 and 2000 TdF's I forsee them helping USPS and themselves by forming an alliance.
This might be the reason...mr_spin
Sep 26, 2002 1:38 PM
One of the announced members of the American team for the World Championships is Guido Trenti, an Italian who doesn't speak English, but has an American passport. Considering there are a lot of true blue American riders to choose from, this has been fairly contraversial. And what a coincidence, Trenti happens to be one of Mario's leadout men on A&S!

Basically the Americans give the Italians an extra guy who just happens to be part of Mario's train. There isn't any real good explanation for doing this, since Mario is the favorite to win and Trenti can't really work against him during the race. There has to be a quid pro quo here, and maybe today we saw the quo, even if a Spaniard is the recipient.

It's very illegal to buy help, by the way, and I'll guarantee that Heras and USPS are keeping it clean. There's too much to risk (The 2003 TDF) to go down that road and attract the attention of the French press and/or the UCI. Promises of future alliances are borderline unethical, but cash is outright illegal.
This might be the reason...atpjunkie
Sep 26, 2002 2:16 PM
good call. as the (cycling) world turns
Simpler explanation.....$$$$$JS
Sep 26, 2002 9:32 PM
These guys are pros who have no objective left in this race, why not make a little extra duckets. Not as "conspiracy theory" but probably the truth.
might be simpler, but...mr_spin
Sep 27, 2002 6:45 AM
Who knows what their objective is? It could be to screw Kelme for some reason, or some other team, or some other guy. It could be to show off their form so they get chosen for the World's team.

The question I have is, why three riders from A&S? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and less suspicious to pay off a few riders from Relax and Jazztel? Those guys can't be making much money, and driving the race at one of the key moments has to be a huge benefit for their sponsor in TV time. Plus, Relax and Jazztel have a habit of doing things in the race that justify their selection.

It just doesn't add up for me.
might be simpler, but...taar44
Sep 27, 2002 5:52 PM
Couldn't it just be that the A&S guys are stronger and so they were chosen as the recipients of the payoff (assuming there was one)?