|Why the Vuelta is no fun to watch||DougSloan|
Sep 18, 2002 6:14 AM
|SPAIN IS UGLY!
Compared to France and Italy, Spain looks like the Mohave desert, but without the tumbleweeds. Dirt and rocks. The time trial looked like it was run through a freshly leveled construction site. Just plain ugly.
Ps. Nonetheless, I enjoy riding through the desert, too. Doesn't make good TV, though.
Sep 18, 2002 6:54 AM
|I've been all over Spain and it is beautiful. Trust me. So far they've spent a lot of time down in the south, which is a lot hotter and dryer than the north. Cordoba, where they held the time trial, is one of the most amazing places in Spain, but you didn't see any of what makes it so special. Granada, where they were the other day, has one of the great wonders of the world, the Alhambra, and sits at the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains (does that name sound familiar?).
Coming up is Salamanca, a fantastic old roman city with the most beautiful plaza in all of Spain (or so they claim).
Then there's the very photogenic walled city of Avila:
And Segovia, another roman city with one of the most famous fairy tale castles in Europe:
I love Spain. Beautiful country, beautiful women, great food, and very inexpensive. It doesn't look at all like France or Italy, but then what does? As far as scenery goes, it's tough to beat Italy because the colors are so intense. France is too muted.
|its clear you've never been(nm)||pukka|
Sep 18, 2002 6:59 AM
|I agree..||Dave Hickey|
Sep 18, 2002 10:51 AM
|Spain might be a beautiful country, but the stages so far have been ugly. The only exception is the podium girls. IMHO, they are much prettier than the TDF podium girls.|
|Agreed about the podium girls...||DeRanger|
Sep 20, 2002 6:08 AM
|...especially this one...what a hottie!
|re: Why the Vuelta is no fun to watch||flying|
Sep 18, 2002 11:45 AM
|I agree the countryside is a bit brown but, pics like these from todays stage still *look* beautiful to me.
But what I want to watch is the racing & this is better (less one sided )than most of the TDF & looks to continue till the end.
But Dave hit the nail on the head.The Spanish trophy girls are fantastic as are the Giro girls.
|that's a beautiful scene.||rufus|
Sep 18, 2002 5:51 PM
|and i was gonna mention the giro girls!|
|i just saved that as wallpaper||rufus|
Sep 18, 2002 5:54 PM
|and boy does it look gorgeous fullsized on my computer screen.|
|i just saved that as wallpaper-- Me 2 ;-) (nm)||flying|
Sep 18, 2002 8:03 PM
Sep 19, 2002 12:33 PM
|First thing I did after seeing it. Thx buddy.|
|re: Why the Vuelta is no fun to watch||CFBlue|
Sep 18, 2002 3:04 PM
|My wife and I have commented on how much the country of this years Vuelta has looked so much like the part of N California we live in, except for when the race goes through the really old towns.
Of the three major tours, last year I enjoyed Spain the most, and this year seems that way too. No politics (obvious to me anyhow) no drug raids to take out the best riders, no ordained winner, just good racing.
I am looking forwad to the rest of the race. But I still haven't decided who to root for yet, I am disappointed that Levy isn't there for another podium run...
|re: Why the Vuelta is no fun to watch||atpjunkie|
Sep 18, 2002 5:40 PM
|todays stage especially looked like Nor Cal. I live in San Diego now but was raised in Sonoma County and so far the Vuelta has looked both like Sonoma and Solano Counties with a touch of the Sierra foothills thrown in. The towns have been beautiful just the farmland (Olive Groves) look a little parched but that's Southern Spain. Yes, Spanish girls rule...can anyone say Barcelona?
Speaking of Ugly...have we all forgot Mt. Ventoux?
Sep 19, 2002 9:54 AM
|After three trips there I can say that the two share many things in common. Latitude, climate, landscape...|
|The grass is always greener....||JS|
Sep 19, 2002 5:35 PM
|Northern Europeans flock to the south of Spain for vacation and love the warm arid surroundings, quite a differance than their home areas. As an aside, where I live in So. Cal. there is an inland desert area called 29 palms that for some reason is constantly being visited by Europeans. I've met people from all over Europe out there, they say the place is almost famous for it's desert topography, who knew. By the way Doug, don't you live in Fresno? If so, you really have no room to talk.|
Sep 19, 2002 6:50 PM
|wow, serious counterpoint
and thos evalley raisin queens got nothing on the Vuleta Girls
|The grass is always greener....||DougSloan|
Sep 20, 2002 6:23 AM
|Hey, I never said a Grand Tour would look good broadcast from Fresno. At least most everything here is irrigated. Fresno county is the number 1 ag county in the entire country in $, for that very reason.
Not saying there aren't isolated scenes that look good from the Spain broadcast. But, for the most part it looks like Mars with buildings.
|gimme a break!||cyclejim|
Sep 22, 2002 9:09 AM
|Just because some of the stages have been thru the more arid regions of Spain you make the assumption that Spain is ugly?
When is the last time you were there? Thats like saying America is ugly because it all looks like Fresno!
btw- A few words from my wife who is from Spain
"I am from Spain and have lived in the US for 10 years. And I can tell you that Spain is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. Obviously you have never been there otherwise you wouldn't talk such nonsense! I recommend your next trip to be anywhere in Spain and then we will talk later...."
|Ain't nothin' wrong with Fresno...||DeRanger|
Sep 20, 2002 7:35 AM
|...after living in Tulare.
|Remember that just a few miles south is...||DeRanger|
Sep 20, 2002 7:37 AM
I like the Spanish countryside, north or south. It reminds me of home.
DeR (...granted, some of those pastures are a tad overgrazed - by about eight or nine centuries...)
|Fresno is quite beautiful.....||atpjunkie|
Sep 20, 2002 1:31 PM
|when you can see it through the fog or when it's cool enough to go outside. Big Up on the Produce Fresno we love ya.|
|but it has some damn fine hills! :-) nm||DougSloan|
Sep 22, 2002 5:08 PM