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A few questions...Wayne
Sep 13, 2002 5:25 AM
who will be the next leader of the GC after the TT? My bet is on Vinokourov unless a breakaway is given it's head one of these next few days.
If Cipo wins the next 3 stages and abandons the race with 5 wins in 8 stages will people still think he's a chump (and will it change anyone's opinion when he's world champ)?
...Chumpollini! nmSpunout
Sep 13, 2002 7:55 AM
No respect...Wayne
Sep 13, 2002 8:39 AM
I hope you bash Lance for only racing one or two races a year, also! For some reason I like Cipo but I think Lance is a pud for not racing more, go figure.
It's sad.Sintesi
Sep 13, 2002 8:55 AM
Cipo is the best sprinter in the game today and didn't this prima donna get into a four man break and go on to win Ghent-Wehvelgem this season? C'mon he can win without his train, it's just that it's stupid not to. Not bad for a guy that's basically a granddad in cycling years. I'm very pro Cipo - Although I'm not sure I could stand to be in the same room with him for too long.

PS. You must ammend your views on Lance, but I guess you'll be doing that after he takes his 6th tour. ; )
My problem with Lance...Wayne
Sep 13, 2002 9:23 AM
is that if anybody nowadays has Hinault-like talent he does. Yet he doesn't seem to really want anything but the tour. As a fan I feel like I'm being cheated.
Of course, if Cipollini had a Belgium hardman's attitude, I don't doubt he would have gone down in history as one of the all time greats instead of just one of the all-time great sprinters.
And not only did get into the break at G-W he crossed the gap on his own after the initial break formed! Sadly, he said that was the only breakaway he's been in his whole career, talk about a pure sprinter's attitude.
My answer to you is:Sintesi
Sep 13, 2002 10:06 AM
Even Hinault wouldn't have been Hinault in todays' races. As you know everyone gears their peak performances for 2 or three times a year. I wonder if Hinault had to face Indurain would he have had to train like Indurain? And stay out of Roubaix the lesser tours and the like? But then again maybe Hinault would have won 7 touars if that was all he raced.

My feeling is that Armstrong needs at least 6 tour wins under his belt and the hour record and then people will toss him in with Anquetiel, Hinault, Indurain and Merckx.
Perhaps...Wayne
Sep 13, 2002 10:29 AM
but I'd like to see Lance try. Even Indurain (and Pantani) did the Giro/Tour double. For me if Lance only wins two more tours and other stage races here and there, he'll never be in Hinault's league and no one will ever be in Merckx's league. I know it was a different sport then but that's just how I feel about it. I'd put him already in Indurain's league b/c of his pre-cancer palmares and the fact that he's definitely as dominant as Indurain was at the tour.
the turth is...Fred2000
Sep 13, 2002 10:49 AM
While I am sure the readers of RBR represent true blue bicycling fans, in that they may be fans of lance, but more importantly of the sport as well. The truth is, and I have heard a few interviews with Lance where he says it, the tour is the only thing that matters in the US. It is the only thing even half covered or half followed by the general public. It is the only thing that US Postal (the sponsor)cares about and anything that prevents Lance winning the tour, ie racing in lesser important tours, is unacceptable.

So while we can hope for a Vuelta (in support of Heras?) or a Giro, I don't think it will ever happen. The Giro could ruin his prep for the Tour and the Vuelta "belongs" to Heras for the time being, plus why kill yourself when you have accomplished the goal of the year, another yellow jersey.

That being said I have really liked this season for lance with some of the classics and a nice run up of stage race wins to the tour.
Is there a strong TT'er...DeRanger
Sep 13, 2002 10:42 AM
...in the top ten?

Lots of macho climbers in there but none of them are real TT artists, and Angel Casero is too far back at this point to make a real grab at the gold jersey right now.

As far as Cipo, I don't care if he's only using the Vuelta as a tune-up for Zolder. He's exciting to watch - a great sprinter and a master strategist. I'm looking forward to the worlds mostly to see how much Super Mario dominates. It's too bad people can't respect him as the specialist he is.

And I too would love to see Lance at La Vuelta, even if only to support Roberto, but it's not like he stops racing altogether after the Tour - he raced in the dual TT in Belgium with Ekimov, the GP New York, and and I'm glad he'll be riding for Hincapie in the GP San Francisco again. Does his lack of participation in other stage races diminish him accomplishment? I don't think so - it's a very different cycling world from the days of Merckx and Hinault.

DeR
Is there a strong TT'er...Wayne
Sep 13, 2002 11:06 AM
Vinokourov and Zubeldia are both strong TTers. I think it's too short for Millar or Casero to make up too much time, and Botero is so far back and seemingly out of form to matter. Beloki will probably make up serious time too, but he's got to beat Vino by more than minute and half to take the lead. I'm interested in seeing how Simoni goes, he's ridden good TT in the past. I'd be shocked if either Heras or Sevilla do much.
re: Lanceatpjunkie
Sep 13, 2002 3:40 PM
look it's a whole different era with a whole different hunk of change.
LA can't take "risks" that would possibly remove him from TdF contention. You won't see him in Paris Roubaix or the Giro anytime soon. It could cost him and his sponsors millions if he got hurt. Re: Pantani and Ullrich doubles, Jan was using it to prep for the tour and Pantani was doped that year (most likely).
Lance avoids the Vuelta to do races in the US to promote cycling in this country (which it needs).
If LA takes 5, he goes in the Pantheon, remember Hinaults 5th was a gift from Lemond so everybody has some skeletons.
As far as matching Eddy, no one ever will, nor ever has.