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Another Tour in the books, but what was rumsas doing?(15 posts)

Another Tour in the books, but what was rumsas doing?QUiTSPiNiNArOuND
Jul 28, 2002 7:17 PM
He went in to a break away twice in the closing kilometers, making ONCE work there way back up to him. I thought it was tradition, and profesional to not attack the high placed GC riders. He did a good tour though, i am happy for his podium win anyways!
re: Another Tour in the books, but what was rumsas doing?CharlesTT
Jul 28, 2002 11:27 PM
Rumsas was just making this tour a little interesting. Something that Lance and everyone else failed in doing. Its almost to bad that Rumsas didn't get it, Phil and Paul would have had a hell of a time commentating on that. I think they should have the final time-trial around the Champs-Elysees........

.......i can shut myself up.....
It's only tradition to not attack the leader with such ...Pecos
Jul 29, 2002 7:29 AM
a large lead. The leader would be attacked to with a relatively small lead. Rumsas had a legitimate shot at a higher podium position.

How would you suggest LA make the Tour more interesting? Lose it? The other teams were apparently very weak against USPS. LA himself said that the defining and most interesting moment for him was when Botero attacked and he had to counter. That happened once. That was the whole race. Weak competition. I guess LA should appopogize for his dominance.
but what was rumsas doing?a load of drugspukka
Jul 29, 2002 4:28 AM
but what was rumsas doing?a load of drugspeter1
Jul 29, 2002 8:17 AM
...and his wife was the bagman...are these people as stupid as they seem to be? Unless she's a pro cyclist herself, we gotta assume the dope was for him. It seems to indicate that doping is occurring outside the official team structure. That's progress of a sort, I guess (see Festina).

Apparently Rumsas didn't test positive during the tour, but I'm not so sure that means anything. The dopers have always been able to outsmart the testers.
but what was rumsas doing?a load of drugspeter1
Jul 30, 2002 6:33 AM
Mystery solved:

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What team does his mother-in-law ride for? I think she won a stage in the Giro this year...

That is, literally, an unbelievable statement.
re: Another Tour in the books, but what was rumsas doing?manicoti
Jul 29, 2002 7:35 AM
I thought that it was tradition not to attack on the last day at all as it is the parade for champions and you get the place you get.
No attacking in ParisWalter
Jul 29, 2002 9:33 AM
At least not the leader. LeMond won the '89 Tour by 8 seconds, a lead he earned on the TT the day before Paris. Fignon did not attack during the final stage.

I hope there's an explanation for Rumsas as I was impressed with his riding esp. the TT with bad bars. The VeloNews article is a bit indecisive about particulars using the phrase "could be doping." Time will tell.
actually, the 1989 time trial was on the final day.(nm)rufus
Jul 29, 2002 1:40 PM
actually, the 1989 time trial was on the final day.(nm)atpjunkie
Jul 29, 2002 2:06 PM
regardless it is bad cycling manners to attack on the Champs. I know Rumsas wanted to move up but the parade day isn't the day to do it. Next year don't be suprised if an ONCE rider happens to ride Rumsas off the road at some point. These little infractions of etiquette are usually settled by the riders.
Rumas did right by trying.nn23
Jul 29, 2002 6:10 PM
Racing by definition is competitive, and its only good competitive sprit (and for the sport) to try one’s best to the very end. In fact wouldn’t the thousands of people standing on the Champs prefer to see the racers go all out fighting for every second, every position rather than it just being a photo-op. Maybe this go-down-fighting spirit in other sports is what attracts spectators to pay for the other them. It’s the struggle, the challenge of one individual going v/s another, one team v/s another that get the adrenalin flowing, not a bunch of riders riding in a peleton.

Somewhere on these pages I read a quote to the affect - win as slowly as possible . Yeah, sure! A lot of popular that is going to make the sport. In most other sports, boxing, basketball, tennis, football, track and field..., there is glory not only in winning but also in winning with as big a margin as possible. This way, the opponents give it their best they have to the very end.

As for keeping the tour tradition, make the 1st or the 2nd half of the last day an un-timed event, and let the cyclists be honored like they deserve. But if you are racing … race like your life depended upon it and not like it is a club ride.
Rumas did right by trying.atpjunkie
Jul 29, 2002 7:01 PM
There still was racing. The sprinters and a few lower echelon riders trying to grab the spotlight on the last day. McEwan and Zabel were still duking it out and all those beat down frenchies trying to salvage some national dignity. But as far as the GC goes, I'll stick w/ tradition. Otherwise they can't enjoy the Champagne on the ride in. After 3 weeks and 2000 plus miles I don't think anyone is going to want to do a post race parade anyhow.
Look at the super bowlPhatMatt
Jul 31, 2002 7:06 AM
IMHO the huge blowout are boring as shit. I perfer them close. In cycling I like to see the tradition upheld. IF this tradition is kicked to the curb, what is next. There are a few great traditions in this sport and this race such as letting a rider break away through there home town. Let the sprinters have there last day in the spotlight.

But on the flip side who would not want a stage win in Paris.

Matt
Look at the super bowlatpjunkie
Jul 31, 2002 1:58 PM
big up on the hometown breaks, and we've seen the peloton settle this if the rider decides to use this to actuallt attack. Remember it's cycling and considered a gentleman's sport. Or are we going to do away with a GC leader letting a non leading rider cross the line before him to take a stage. Yes, blowouts are boring but revel in what you are seeing. I was too young and TV didn't cover it when Merckx was around. This may be a once in a lifetime deal, atheletes of LA's caliber don't come around too often. The Green comp was very exciting as were the breaks by Boogerd, etc.... I still enjoyed it and now miss it as now I'm left with........baseball (I think not)
re: Another Tour in the books, but what was rumsas doing?CharlesTT
Jul 29, 2002 9:32 PM
Lance could have put a little more action in the mountains as he did in 2001. Maybe it wasn't as interesting because Phil and Paul have lost their cutting edge in the art of commentating. I think the thing that could have made it even more interesting is if they had more flat stages and maybe one MORE team time trial.