|USPS Payback time?||Me Dot Org|
Jul 26, 2002 1:56 PM
|With a time trial tomorrow, basically the work of the USPS support squad is done. And they did a magnificent job.
It seems to me that USPS and Lance have worked hard, but never really overextended themselves to this point. I'm sure they will be tired at the end of the tour, but I get the feeling they will not be overextended-exhausted. What I'm leading up to is that they appear to be in good shape for the rest of the season.
Lance has gotten incredible service from the entire squad, and Herras and Hincapie in particular. Is it now payback time? Will Lance serve Herras in the Vuelta? Will he be a domestique for George?
If he wants to go for 5 or 6 TDFs, he's got to let these guys shine. They are great cyclists in their own right.
|re: USPS Payback time?||african|
Jul 26, 2002 3:00 PM
|I don't think that their work is over by any means. If there is a wreck and Lance falls back from the pelaton (sic) then they would have to work very hard. Also they now have to work hard to look after him and protect him from any of those wrecks.
Yes they look in good shape. I think Lance will work for Herras, my .02
|Let's hope he is no Hinault... nm||elviento|
Jul 27, 2002 7:38 PM
|hey, what's wrong with Bernard? he rode '86 for Greg didn't he?||cyclopathic|
Jul 29, 2002 4:07 AM
|or so he says|
|hey, what's wrong with Bernard? he rode '86 for Greg didn't he?||atpjunkie|
Jul 29, 2002 1:45 PM
|No Bernard didn't. He said he would after Lemond gave him the 85 TdF as a gift (which gave Hinault the macig 5). But when 86 came around and it was Lemonds Tour ,Hinault went after win #6 splitting the team. If Andy Hampstead hadn't been on the team Lemond may have not won at all. IMHO after Hinault said "... I will sacrifice for him next year the way he did for me this year" (TdF 1985) and then did no sacrifice but became his chief rival lowers my opinion of Hinault, not as a cyclist but a sportsman. In all reality he and Lemond both have 4 TdF victories as I will never recognize his 5th considering his actions toward Lemond in '86, especially as Lemond had to slow down, wait and drag Bernard up the mountains under order of his team director in 85.|
|I'd bet if it were Lance's team||cyclopathic|
Jul 30, 2002 8:17 AM
|Greg wouldn't even make '86 lineup
btw I am well awere I was refering to Bernard's post '86 interview
|I'd bet if it were Lance's team||atpjunkie|
Jul 30, 2002 1:13 PM
|sorry your sarcasm escaped me. Is the comment on Greg another bit? If not Lemond would have made the team, La Vie Clare had 4 riders in the top 15 if I remember right. They crushed that year and GL was the cream of the crop. Bernard and Andy all in top 5.|
|yeah that was the year to watch||cyclopathic|
Jul 30, 2002 5:33 PM
|I'd buy the tapes in a heartbeat.
With respect to "making the start line" Lance doesn't strike like a type who would tolerate competition within his own team, take the Virenque's story. He finished 6th in '00 and was excluded from '01. Was it a payback for stage 16? hmm
|yeah that was the year to watch||atpjunkie|
Jul 31, 2002 2:03 PM
|excluded I think because of doping. not sure though so don't hold me to it. Funny that when Lance was going up Ventoux they were calling "Dopey" whilst cheering Virenque, a convicted user.
I think you can get that Video on WorldCycling.com
Jul 31, 2002 9:06 PM
|he missed '98 b/c of doping. '99 and '00 he was clean. Official USPS explanation was that "he wasn't ready". Hard to believe for a guy who finished in top 10 in prior 7 years, twice on podium; won polka dot 5 times. And they replaced him with a guy who didn't cut first 100.
Typically French? hmm.. how about Bush Jr? convicted drug user? was it as big deal as "I didn't inhale"?
Aug 5, 2002 12:54 PM
|yea, he probably got held back due to media politics. Hard to be associated with regardless. Yes, agree he could have been a help, but maybe like Julich he wasn't seen as a team player who'd "slave' for LA.
don't even get me started on dubya, bigger deal than the inhale as he was a blow snoter, than again I think his dad and the CIA were the ones importing it during Iran/Contra so maybe he was just involved in the family business.
Jul 28, 2002 5:53 AM
|My understanding of Tour de France ettiquette (sp?), which comes from pretty enlightened sources, is that if the Yellow Jersey were to wreck on the last stage (unless it were a time trial) the group would effectively wait for him. It would be considered incredibly poor form for the 2nd place rider to attack. If he did attack, he might get the Tour win, but everybody would know that he didn't 'earn' it, but lucked into it.
On the other issue, I don't believe Lance will work for Heras. I think USPS will put together a solid squad to help Heras, which Lance is responsible for (he's essentially assembled the team to his own liking), so Lance will be helping him by lending him one of the best teams, but he won't go out on the road. The first reason is that by entering and not winning the Vuelta, he loses a little of his unbeatable mistique. The second reason is that come Monday, he will start preparing for the 2003 Tour, and riding another 3 week grand tour probably doesn't fit those training plans very well.
|re: USPS Payback time?||atpjunkie|
Jul 26, 2002 3:53 PM
|Heras, Rubiera and a team will be at the Vuelta. Who knows who else they will select. I'd love to see Lance there but it most likely conflicts with the rest of his season. I don't think George will be there either. He usually recovers and starts his training program for the classics. He has to "peak" at Paris Roubaix and then hold form through the tour. That's about 4 months so I'm sure they'll relax and do some US events instead. Look form them at the New York and/or SF grand prix's. yes, they deserve payback and I think Roberto's will be a Yellow Vuelta Jersey as USPS will do everything it can to put him on the podium.|
|I certainly hope he works for Heras. nm||weiwentg|
Jul 26, 2002 9:56 PM
|He wont, he's racing in the SF Gran Prix nm||cyclejim|
Jul 27, 2002 6:58 AM
|New York, too? (nm)||DeRanger|
Jul 27, 2002 8:24 AM
|He will be in New York race+ cancer event||VO2_max|
Jul 27, 2002 9:12 AM
|re: What about the classics?||cyclejim|
Jul 27, 2002 6:59 AM
|Lance did a fair amount of support for George this spring.|
|the next step||mr_spin|
Jul 29, 2002 7:16 AM
|Lance won't ride the Vuelta, but he usually races the World Cups in San Sebastian (which he's won before) and Zurich with essentially the same team that did the Tour. He has the skills and form to win either right now.
I don't know if anyone is racing Zurich this year, since they never paid the winners from last year. Last year Hincapie did very well there, so maybe a little bonus for his outstanding work at the Tour is that the team works for him in these next two World Cups. Including Lance.
I think that is a more likely scenario for USPS.