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has climbers jersey lost meaning?(7 posts)

has climbers jersey lost meaning?yeah right
Jul 25, 2002 9:08 AM
not to insult jalabert or anyone talanted enough to climb an HC mountain, but i'm thinking that the polkadot jersey doesn't mean what it used to. my point is this, aerts is second in the category and while he's had two or so good days and gobbled up points, he's not exactly tearing the legs off people. i encourage anything that causes breaks from the field, but it doesn't seem that fitting to call them best climber. here's a question though, having only followed the tour 90's on, has it always been this way?
Jul 25, 2002 9:38 AM
People have misinterpreted the meaning of the polka dot jersey for a long time. The leader of the mountains competition gets the jersey. That's all it is. It's not usually the best climber. Certain mountains have points assigned to them, and whoever gets the most points wins.

The points competition (green jersey) is the same way. Score the most points, win the jersey. The highest points come at the finishing line, so win a lot of stages or place highly on most stages, and you'll probably end up with the jersey.

Last year in the Vuelta, an almost pure climber won the mountains jersey AND the points jersey. The points jersey is often misinterpreted as indicating the "best sprinter," so for a climber to get it would seem to make a mockery of things. He even took it from Erik Zabel! Fact is, he simply scored more points than Zabel.
Noyeah right
Jul 25, 2002 10:43 AM
I understand what it really means, but i'd like to see it become something more for just climbers. it seems like they could give more points towards the end of the stage instead of giving equal points for climbs by category. i think it would be cool if the climbers jersey became associated with the g.c. battle because the top climbers were wearing it.
Jul 25, 2002 12:00 PM
The points and mountains competitions are supposed to provide an alternative to the GC competition. These have been hotly contested at times, including this year, where the green jersey is totally up for grabs. There is money, UCI points, and prestige for winning these jerseys.

In the Giro this year, Casagrande was tossed out while leading the mountains competition because he took down a guy who was trying to score some mountain points. Either Casagrande is a jerk (he is) or the mountains jersey is something worth fighting for (or both).

The problem with the mountains competition this year is that once Jalabert built up a big lead, no one seems to want to challenge him. In my opinion, it's not because they can't, but because he announced his retirement, and as one of the certifiably great riders of the last 10-15 years, no one wants to take away his jersey. I think it's a huge, unspoken sign of respect for the man, who did, by the way, earn all those mountain points on long, lonely breakaways. I'll guarantee you that if someone had really started to challenge Jalabert, Lance himself would take the guy aside and explain why second place is better than first. As patron, that's his job.
I wish JaJa won the stagecyclopathic
Jul 28, 2002 9:37 AM
he worked really hard and he deservedd it
Good point! Green jersey isn't quite best sprinter either!elviento
Jul 27, 2002 6:57 PM
Remember when Cipo won 4 tour flat stages in a row? Zabel won the green jersey that year. I don't think he even got a stage that year.

Whatever rules they set up, people who try to conform to the rules most will get the best results. That's all. Zabel is one of the few to actually go for all the intermediary sprint points. Also, did you know that the Chinese (not ABC) do very well in the verbal section of the GRE? Same thing.
Hardly a surprisemr_spin
Jul 29, 2002 6:21 AM
I do remember that, but you have to finish the Tour to keep the jersey. Cipo never finishes, Zabel does.