|This year's race should be named "Tour de Bore"||JSchneb|
Jul 24, 2002 11:13 AM
|Man, I was hoping that this race was going to be an exciting one... Day in and day out it is the same thing. Lance is never put into difficulty (I guess no one out there can do this), he attacks on the last climb of the key stages (been doing this same thing for the last 4 years)...
I guess it's not LA's fault, he tried to prompt his rivals to attack him, but no one had the legs.
All in all, I'm happy that LA is poised to win his 4th Tour, I just wish it had a little more drama.
|I'd like to see Lance do more (spoiler?)||Shad|
Jul 24, 2002 11:53 AM
|It does get a little predictable when Lance just marks his rivals and makes a break late in the stage. I suppose it would be bad strategy, but I'd like to see him crush his rivals at every opportunity. No more "gifts" to anyone not on US Postal. |
Even if Lance wins six in this fashion, will he really be equal in any way to Eddy? History might just perceive Lance to be great, but riding in a fortunate timeframe when there were no other true greats to challege him. It might detract from his record. I would theorize that if Eddy were racing now he'd be out attacking on nearly every stage, riding out front and showing his dominance.
|I'd like to see Lance do more (spoiler?)||JSchneb|
Jul 24, 2002 4:13 PM
|Yeah, I agree...
If the competition isn't (or can't) liven up the race, Lance should forget about being a nice guy (hey, the French were booing him on Mt. Ventoux anway). He should give them something to really boo about!
I'm willing to bet that with his current condition, he could probably win every mountain stage in the tour.
Jul 25, 2002 4:08 AM
|I think Lance is handing these guys the victories in an attempt to make it more interesting for the French and not bring more bad press. |
I definetly think he could have won yesterday and on Ventoux. They no exactly what the time gaps are and how fast he can close them. I believe they just played it out to put a little time into Beloki but, not catch French "star" like Virenque.
Come on, Lance! No mercy. The French will always find something to whine about anyway......................
|Isn't that LA's old style?||spyderman|
Jul 25, 2002 4:10 AM
|It doesn't work. Look at what Jalabert has been doing. Everytime he attacks too early he ends up blowing up.
I don't think you can take anything away from LA. He's proving that he is the best right now. That's quite an accomplishment!
To say he's the best of all time, well that's a discussion for after he wins five or six in a row.
|how can you say it's boring?||rufus|
Jul 24, 2002 4:39 PM
|there are a lot of riders doing incredible things in this race that are thrilling to watch. jalabert's constant attacks, virenque's win on the ventoux, boogard's breakaway today. these didn't have drama? there are other riders in the tour besides lance armstrong.isn't it bad enough with oln's(and especially bill patrick's) obsession with all things lance?
so lance hasn't gone out and attacked every day and blown his rivals into smithereens. but he doesn't have to. he's doing just what he has to do to win the tour, riding steady and smart, taking his opportunities as they come, and not making mistakes. that's how you win the tour; that's his goal, that's what us postal wants to do, that's what people in the united states want him to do. how would you feel if he went on the attack tomorrow, blew up, and lost the yellow jersey? would that be exciting enough for you?
|how can you say it's boring? - My point exactly!||JSchneb|
Jul 25, 2002 3:48 AM
|It's not so much about Lance as it is about the other riders not being a challenge for the top GC spot. Yes, it's exciting to see other riders break away and maybe win a stage, but it's not dramatic. OK, Boogard won the stage yesterday, but since he wasn't a threat to the GC no one chased him (he was basically "allowed" to win). What would have been dramatic is if he was chased down, fended off the attacks and still had enough for the win.
And Verinque? He was "allowed" to win at Ventoux also. Granted, LA said that the wanted to win the stage, but he was too busy marking the "threats" to the GC.
I don't think that LA shoud "trounce" the field, I just think that witht the race in it's current state it would be better than what's going on now.
|re: This year's race should be named "Tour de Bore"||Aegis_guy|
Jul 24, 2002 6:08 PM
|I am by no means an expert in pro cycling but is it possible that attacking with this big a lead is like throwing the ball when you are up by 8 touchdowns? It just shows a lack of class. Steve Spurrier. I do not know if this applies to cycling but I'd be interested to hear from people who know the etiquette of cycling stage races.|
|re: This year's race should be named "Tour de Bore"||JSchneb|
Jul 25, 2002 3:50 AM
|Yes, it would show a lack of class. That being said, the French fans who were booing LA on Ventoux, caling him "dope, dope" were completely with out class! It's kind of ironic that while they were calling LA "dope", their own countryman won the stage and he was an admitted "dope"!|
|re: This year's race should be named "Tour de Bore"||snowman3|
Jul 25, 2002 10:46 AM
|I've got mixed emotions. It does seem that Lance's template for winning the TDF is kind of boring. Similar to when a team wins the Stanley Cup, Super Bowl, World Series, boxing match, etc by using a methodical non-dramatic game plan. A lot of sports fans like to see high flying action.
But if it ain't broke don't fix it. Lance dominates and wins. I think its good sportmanship to let "non-contender Person X" win the stage of the day. It spreads the publicity amongst the sponsors. Aside from that, you can't win every stage and have to choose where to invest your energy.
I can't blame Lance... well maybe a little. It would be cool if he really blew the doors off in at least one stage. Regardless of how fast he climbs, I'm always wanting to see more.
I mostly blame the other competitors for making it boring. Lance would respond harder if he had too. Problem is no one is pushing him. It would be unwise for Lance to risk an injury by going super hard "just for show".
There was some suspense in that the mtns were at the end. The tour winner didn't come to light until the later stages, so at least it wasn't over after stage 4.
|well they just gave it to him||cyclopathic|
Jul 28, 2002 1:57 PM
|noone but ONCE even thought about seriously contesting it. What's the point? it is much more rewarding to gamble for stage win. Giving enough margin Postal would let you go on early break, look what happened on stages 13-18. Virenque, Botero, Millar etc.
Why do you think Botero had sabotaged Mont Ventoux? he lost 13 min to Lance/Beloki in one shot so Postal and ONCE would let him go on break next day. It wouldn't look more obvious if it were fixed.