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Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?(10 posts)

Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?igorn
Jul 21, 2002 11:36 PM
He dropped left STI and put aero brake lever and downtube shifter. Is this about weight saving or what? Is the weight of single STI lever comparing to weight of aero brake lever and downtube shifter of so much importance for successful climbing? I think it would be rather psychological moment than anything else but I would like to hear your opinion.

re: Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?Peter E
Jul 21, 2002 11:59 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong but i think that this isn't anything new for Lance. I think he used a climbing-bike like that last year in the tuor also. atleast in the hill-TT that was last year.
I think it's a little strange since i thought that they could get the weight down to the UCI-limit anyway without this solution but obviously that wasn't the case.

according to Shimanos website the downtube shifter is 76 grams and the aero brake lever is 130 grams each. that's 206 gram for that combo. The dual control lever is 432 grams/pair which makes for 216 grams.
With that information it seems pretty redicilous to me to use downtube shifter since it only saves 10 grams
re: Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?Peter E
Jul 22, 2002 12:02 AM
looking at it a bit more i found out that the dual control shifter without flight deck computer possibilities is a bit lighter then the other one. Those are 390 gram/pair which makes them even lighter then using downtube/aerobrakehandle
re: Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?Folkert
Jul 22, 2002 2:07 AM
LA uses this setup for the third year in a row. Jan Ullrich used it last year as did the Once riders (both the campy record version).
Don't downtube shifters allow more "precise" shifting for...tyrius
Jul 22, 2002 5:44 AM
the front chainrings. DA has only what 3 or 4 indexes and the friction shifters are limitless.

Take the above with a grain of salt as I am kind of out of my league with these high end bikes.
No ... they shouldn't if adjusted properlyOld_school_nik
Jul 22, 2002 9:51 AM
Range of motion/travel should be close on the Ergo style levers - so they should adjust just as finely as downtube mounted levers.

Here's an idea:LAIrish
Jul 22, 2002 9:35 AM
Lance is known to be a master of the "psych job," teasing opponents into miscalculations.

It is also well known that Lance is a tech weenie. Unlike many riders (who's attitude is "gimme a bike, any bike, I'LL make it go fast), he gets involved in every aspect of building and tuning his bike.

The downtube/aero brake combo may not give any great weight savings, and the advantage of "infinite" adjustment may be negligible. But, by using it year after year (oh, yeah, and winning the Tour), he starts his competitors (who know he's a tech weenie) thinking that he can figure out things beyond their ken. Having your opponents think you are smarter than they are (did ONCE use that combo last year?) can actually be more effective than being smarter than they are.
re: Have you noticed LA bike setup during the mountain stages?ksfacinelli
Jul 22, 2002 12:31 PM
This may be over simplification but he may have the shifter moved down off the bar to avoid any mishaps while climbing. If could be that it is just one less item to worry about if he is out of the saddle pulling with his arms.....why chance a shift during a climb

my 2 cents......

That's worth more than 2 cents,Fredrico
Jul 22, 2002 1:39 PM
Wrestling the bike up a climb likely would only make it downhsift to the small ring, but a downtube shifter is closer to the derailleur, therefore more fail safe and probably quicker, especially under pedal pressure. Plus you don't need that cable fluttering in the wind on the descent, nor the extra weight, even if only slight.
That's worth more than 2 cents,atpjunkie
Jul 22, 2002 7:36 PM
he's a weight weenie beyond belief and the downtube shifter in friction mode allows more wacky ring/cluster combos without getting fr. der. rub because in friction mode you can feather the front der. It's also helpful if cable stretches. I use bar ends on my cross bike and the feathering comes in quite handy.