|Frankie Andreau: Losing credibility with every word...||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 4:58 AM
|Did anybody else catch Frankie's "Circuit City Tech Tips" last night regarding Jean Delatour's bikes?
1. He made reference to the "American influence" in the ScottUSA bikes- which are neither made in the US, nor sold in the US.
2. He proceded to say that: "while these bikes look like aluminum, they're actually Scandium."
Um, Scandium is an aluminum alloy Frankie...
|re: Frankie Andreau: Losing credibility with every word...||JSchneb|
Jul 18, 2002 5:19 AM
|Maybe he was meant to talk about the sloping top-tube (also a predominent feature of the Giant road bikes) - Definately an American influence.
Gee, I didn't know that Scandium was an aluminum alloy...
|Giant is as American as French Fries...||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 5:43 AM
|Giant is 100% Taiwanese; sloping top tube bikes are no more American than anything else, and he was clearly refering to Scott "USA" as an American brand, which it really isn't.|
|Sloping top tubes are american||greg n|
Jul 18, 2002 6:04 AM
|Keith Bontrager made his road bikes with sloping top tubes long before it was "cool and trendy". And I don't know of any other builders that did that until just a few years ago.|
|Bianchi had one before Bontrager was born (nm)||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 6:22 AM
|Agree that frankie needs grooming but disagree...||Old_school_nik|
Jul 18, 2002 5:24 AM
|I saw the OLN segment where he talks about the Scott stuff and the "scandium" - he also made some other goofy comments about Kmart bike and French department store bikes - but I have to say most of his inside segments are interesting and very funny - for example emptying and reviewing an actual musette bag from one of the teams - reviewing each item one by one - vey funny - also his access to the racers and other folk is good to have - Maybe you don't remember the days of the horrible Sam Posey - referring to Luc LeBlanc as the TDF director's son! Or referring to the riders as "drivers!" Or God for Bid, John Tesh and his ultra chessy human interest stories/comments - I for one am glad to have someone besides Phil and Paul who rode pro.|
|yeah...have noticed that||ColnagoFE|
Jul 18, 2002 5:59 AM
|but not to know that scandium is basically AL? That's like someone saying that Ritchey uses Nitanium tubes--not steel. You'd think there would be some fact checkers looking at his scripts. The Kmart bike thing was kinda weird. So was he trying to say these bikes were pieces of crap or just making a comment about how easy they are to get? Can't they get someone like Zinn do do these spots? At least he knows the tech.|
|yeah...have noticed that||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 6:23 AM
|Well, you'd be surprised how little Lennard knows, but the comment with respect to Decathlon, I think was meant to imply how available top-notch bikes are in France. Comparing Decathlon to K-Mart, I don't think so, it's more like a Galyans.|
|Ask any Pro (other than LA) about their bikes....||JSchneb|
Jul 18, 2002 7:07 AM
|and you'll find that they're probably clueless...|
|Some are, some aren't...||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 7:26 AM
|Some guys have a "give me something and I'll ride it" attitude; others, most notably Tyler Hamilton, are REALLY picky about what they ride.|
|Very good interviews tho' & musette bag WAS good||velocity|
Jul 18, 2002 10:50 AM
|I get the sense that these bits are done fast and furiously and without a lot of reflection.
Who does make ScottUSA bikes? I wondered to myself how he could say scandium wasn't aluminum.
|Are you sure you shouldn't be watching Star Trek?||burdiman|
Jul 18, 2002 11:54 AM
|Frankie was a rider and as far as I know was not and does not aspire to be a frame builder or engineer. Who cares?
He hasn't lost credibility in my book. He is able to get quick interviews at the beginning and end of stages because of his past experience as a rider. That is more important to me.
|Are you sure you shouldn't be watching Star Trek?||JSchneb|
Jul 18, 2002 12:14 PM
|I agree. Cut Frankie some slack! Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones!
OK, so He isn't the brightest star in the sky. Who cares!
|Yes, pretty sure,||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 12:23 PM
|I'm not saying that I don't like Frankie, and I especially appreciate his interviews with riders- as he's able to get interviews that a lot of guys can't. BUT it chafes at me that he says really stupid things that sound like Adrian Karstan said them. I mean, simple fact checking. Decathlon isn't remotely like KMart and aluminum and scandium are the same thing.
I'd love it if he'd stick to what he does best- good pre- and post-race interviews, and let John Cobb, or better, a team mechanic, do the 'Tech tip'.
|Scandium is NOT Aluminum||CarbonJoe|
Jul 18, 2002 12:35 PM
Scandium is NOT Aluminum, but it is alloyed with Aluminum to make it stronger. Check out this PDF from Easton for more info on Scandium.
|Yes, I know, I know...Yawn....||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 2:25 PM
|This topic has been hashed over probably more than anything except Campy vs. Shimano.
Scandium is an element. All by itself.
Only trouble is, nobody build a bike out of it.
Aluminum is not an element, it is an alloy of several elements, one of which may be scandium. Bikes are built with an aluminum alloy that contains scandium. And it's very little scandium too, usually less than 2%.
|Actually, Aluminum is also an element.||bikedodger|
Jul 18, 2002 2:36 PM
|But bikes are built using an aluminum alloy that is also called aluminum.
Steel is not an element, but bikes are built of an iron alloy called steel.
|I stand humbled and corrected...||TJeanloz|
Jul 18, 2002 2:44 PM
|But Scandium, as used in bicycles, is simply an aluminum alloy.|| |