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US Postal is to ride the Vuelta but will LA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Live Steam
Jul 22, 2001 3:59 PM
ride it? And will he be there to support Heras or will he be there to win?
LA will ride in a supporting role...Lou M
Jul 22, 2001 4:59 PM
He will return Heras the favor. Too bad, I am sue he would win the Vuelta as well. Then again, it is all about the TDF. That's why LA doesn't ride the Giro.
LA will ride in a supporting role...bartali
Jul 23, 2001 7:03 AM
And that is why Lance Armstrong will never be considered as one of the all time greats in this sport.

He is a fantastic cyclist and athlete but he will always be remembered for being a one event cyclist per season.
LA will ride in a supporting role...mr_spin
Jul 23, 2001 8:53 AM
Lance will be remembered as great bike rider (to borrow the words of Paul Sherwen). Sure, his tour victories will be at the top of the list, but a one event cyclist? Hardly. His total victories this year put him in the upper class. And just to refresh your memory of some recent events:

- 2nd Amstel Gold
- 2nd Classique des Alpes
- Overall and 2 stages Tour of Switzerland

Look for a high placement in the Vuelta, and maybe some stage wins.

He wants to try for the hour record.

He'll certainly try to take San Sebastian, because he won it once before (and it is a special race for him anyway--read his book).

He went head to head with Ullrich and other greats last year in Zurich, so I'm sure he'll be there again this year.
LA will ride in a supporting role...bartali
Jul 23, 2001 9:51 AM
Amstel Gold & Classique des Alpes? You're kidding, right? Those are events?

Let me point you in this direction: Just look at the records of Eddy Merckx, Fausto Coppi, Bernard Hinault, Jacques Anquetil, Gino Bartali, Louison Bobet and Miguel Indurain for STARTERS.

Armstrong has a World Championship that he won a lifetime ago in 1993. That's good. But he has no Giro & Tour in the same cycling season. No hour record (yet) and no European Classic victories such as Paris-Roubaix or Milano-San Remo.

Right now Lance Armstrong is one of the all time greatest Tour de France cyclists, period.

Amstel Gold, Classique des Alpes & Tour du Pont don't mean jack-squat when compared to Giro, Paris-Roubaix, Milano-San Remo, GP des Nations and Tour of Lomardia.

BTW, I read his booked and enjoyed it.

Again, Lance Armstrong is an excellent cyclist but let's not get carried away and place his name with the all time greats of the sport. In order for that to happen, not only does he have to win more races but he at LEAST has to begin participating in them.
Myopia can be curedmr_spin
Jul 23, 2001 11:17 AM
Lance won the GP des Nations last year. And he has also won European classics such as San Sebastian and Fleche Wallone. Twice 2nd in Liege, too.

But by your myopic standards, you are correct. He will never be able to equal or surpass Eddy Merckx, Fausto Coppi, Bernard Hinault, Jacques Anquetil, Gino Bartali, Louison Bobet and Miguel Indurain. But neither will anyone else. Give me a break. Those guys came from a different era, where you raced everything that came along, and it was easy for a really strong rider to dominate. You should also note that the big doping era of the 80s-90s came as a response.

But you know, when you ask guys like Merckx and Indurain and Hinault, they have huge admiration for Armstrong. If your heroes hold him up high, logically, I would think you would too.

Oh, and Eddy Merckx thought enough of Amstel Gold to win it twice.
Myopia can be curedbartali
Jul 23, 2001 11:41 AM
Yeah, Amstel Gold. Merckx rode everything in sight. It's still nothing compared to Paris-Roubaix and the Milano-San Remo.

Don't get me wrong. I have tremendous respect for Armstrong but he has to participate in more races during the year in order to be considered an all time great.

How can you be considered an all time great without dominating a single season? The cycling season does not begin and end in July.

Why not the Giro also? Indurain a different era? Come on. Indurain was criticized for the same thing as I am criticizing Armstrong for.

But at least Indurain won Giro and Tour in 1992 & 1993 and set the hour record. He was a terrible one day cyclist but at least he dominated a "shorter" season in 92 & 93.

That's more than can be said about Armstrong in 1999, 2000 and maybe 2001.
LA will ride in a supporting role...Lou M
Jul 24, 2001 10:16 AM
I hope that LA gets tired of winning TDF's (not likely) and he can focus on lesser races such as the Giro and the Vuelta. If he concentrated on any race, he more than likely win it, he is that good in this stage of his career.
LA will ride in a supporting role...surfamtn
Jul 24, 2001 10:53 AM
LA will ride in a supporting role...yep
Jul 24, 2001 1:40 PM
or I guess he could compete in the giro too, and come in way down like JU this year.
Why would you think that?bartali
Jul 25, 2001 4:49 AM
Marco Pantani did it in 1998. Indurain won Giro and Tour in the same year in 1992 & 1993.

I think Lance Armstrong is good enough, strong enough and determined enough to do it. But he doesn't even try.

Stringing three consecutive Tour de France is a wonderful feat. Accomplished by only a few great cyclists. If Armstrong wants another goal (besides the obvious one of winning 5 Tours) then he should at least try to accomplish what other greats in the sport have done.

The best of cycling did not become great because they competed in only one big race per season. They became great because they dominated seasons.

One does not dominate a season by competing in July and a tune up race in June such as the Tour of Switzerland or the Dauphine Libre.
What's left for Tyler?TypeOne
Jul 22, 2001 5:29 PM
So these favors will be paid, and the team (except for LA, of course) worked for Hincapie in the spring and LA will work for Heras at the Vuelta. What is Tyler's payoff? Does the team gear up for the Giro next year, working for Tyler? Hamilton has the look of a future team leader, despite his poor luck and crashes this Tour.
What's left for Tyler?rodemiles
Jul 22, 2001 5:44 PM
Tyler mentioned earlier this year he would have to investigate offers from other teams to be their leader in the tour. He also said if that didn't work out he would be happy to stay with USPS and ride for a great champion like Lance. I feel sure USPS would have tried to have him with the Tour de Swisse if he had been healthy. Lance rode for him last year in a tour shortly before the TDF. His injuries this year have been very disappointing but he is the ultimate team rider. I've also enjoyed reading his diary this tour. He's very intelligent.