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why is everybody riding Shimano?(20 posts)

why is everybody riding Shimano?liv2padl
Jul 19, 2001 12:17 PM
i have yet to see any Campy on the Tour .. why is that? surely Campagnolo is as good as Shimano but i see nobody's bike equipped with it. have always wondered.
best guess:ak
Jul 19, 2001 12:51 PM
my best guess is that Campy (although great componentry) doesn't work as well out of the box as Shimano does. Campy usually takes a while to "break in." One of the Jokes in the industry is that, "by the time Campy breaks-in Shimano is broken" Since the Cycling teams have a virtually unlimited budget for bike parts, they replace them frequently and need them to work their best immediately. There may be many other factors involved (team sponsorship, equipment of neutral support vehicles, etc...), but from a mechanic's point of view, that is the most practical reason to choose Shimano over Campy.
re: why is everybody riding Shimano?jschrotz
Jul 19, 2001 1:01 PM
There's plenty of Campy out there in the peleton. Off the top of my head; Telekom, Cofidis, ONCE and Festina all ride Campy. The reason the teams ride the equipment they do is because they get paid to do so. Shimano is a giant company with a budget exceeding that of most small countries, and can afford to sponsor loads and loads of teams.
Look at the brake leversmr_spin
Jul 19, 2001 1:40 PM
Campy has black levers, Shimano has silver. Ullrich rides Campy, Armstrong rides Shimano.
re: why is everybody riding Shimano?Mothhunter
Jul 19, 2001 3:41 PM
Domo also rides Campy.
Because....Tullio
Jul 19, 2001 4:14 PM
...Shimano is the best. Plain and simple. If they didn't use Campy because it took a while to break in..then that reason is bull crap. They can always use Campy while training so that it would have broken in by the time the big race comes.

Viva Shimano! The best componentry in the world.
EXACTLYSptder Ryder
Jul 19, 2001 7:15 PM
If I was picking my dream bike I would run Dura Ace or XTR for sure. I'd want a trek 5900 frame/fork, Dura Ace, and those WH770 Carbon wheels. Dura Ace pedals too.

It does seem that a lot of teams are riding Shimano this Tour.

I would imagine its just the bikes that the teams use. Look at trek, the run Shimano components, Specialized has Campy on its S-Works bike so basically they give the teams bikes with the components that thebike company wants and the riders have no control over it.

By the way anybody know how to pronounce Campagnolo?? Camp-an-yolo?? any thoughts??
EXACTLYjschrotz
Jul 19, 2001 9:33 PM
Not to start a flame war or anything, but . . .

Some people swear by Shimano, but most just swear at it.

Shimano makes great components. . .for fishing rods.

Campy breaks-in at about the same time that Shimano just breaks.

On a different note, IIRC, the component companies pay the teams to ride their equipment, and the bike manufacturers tend to put out their pro replica models spec'd out with the same componentry (i.e. the Trek OCLV, Cannondale Saeco model and the Specialized Festina bike).
not for me!4bykn
Jul 21, 2001 1:24 PM
If Campy breaks in when Shimano breaks, then give me Shimano. My 9 year old Ultegra sti isn't broken yet, would hate to ride a gruppo for 9 years and not have it broken in yet.
Campagnolo pronunciation...Cima Coppi
Jul 20, 2001 2:50 PM
CAMPY!!!
EXACTLYMapeiboy
Jul 23, 2001 11:03 AM
Congrats. Your phonetic guess at the pronunciation of Campagnolo is right on. Just make sure you put the accent on the "yo."
Actually...Lazy
Jul 20, 2001 6:04 AM
The riders in the pro peloton ride what they're paid to ride. Plain and simple. Has nothing to do with preference or quality.
How come then...Kazuhiro
Jul 20, 2001 8:07 AM
Lance's first Tour win was the FIRST EVER for Shimano???
Purely coincidence....Cima Coppi
Jul 20, 2001 2:55 PM
In the years leading up to LA's first TdF victory in 99, more teams were riding Shimano than Campy. It's purely coincidence that the victor rode a bike with Campy components. Pantani's Mercatoni Uno team originally rode bikes with Shimano. If they stayed with that, Shimano would have had its first victory 1 year sooner. The componentry, just like the frame, does NOT make a rider better, faster, victorious.

CC
It's close to 50/50...TJeanloz
Jul 20, 2001 8:19 AM
The breakdown is typically very close to 50/50 on which teams use which groupset. I'm guessing that there appears to be more Shimano because we pay a lot of attention to the Postal team, and they ride Shimano.

But I have some time, so I'll sort it all out:

USPS: Shimano
Telekom: Campagnolo
Cofidis: Campagnolo
Credit Agricole: Shimano
Mapei: Shimano
Domo:Campagnolo
CSC: Shimano
AG2R: Shimano
FdJ: Shimano
Jean Delatour: Shimano
Lotto: Shimano
Lampre: Campagnolo
ONCE: Campagnolo
Festina: Campagnolo
Fassa Bortolo: Shimano
Bonjour: Shimano
Big Mat: Shimano/Mavic
Euskaltel: Shimano
Rabobank: Shimano
ibanesto.com: Campagnolo
Kelme: Shimano

So, it's actually 14/21 teams or 66% Shimano.
re: why is everybody riding Shimano?Minnrider
Jul 20, 2001 9:49 AM
There is more Shimano on the tour but alot of it is based on what teams are using and who gets to race. Take a look at some of Lance's bikes, on some he uses a down tube shifter. And it is not because of weight; it is because Shimano is too goofy and inaccurate in front.
Campy stuff in my opinion is somewhat better than Shimano but is carried at fewer stores in the U.S. Partly because of the mountain bike craze. Advertising and contracts can realy drive a product even if is not the best out there.
re: why is everybody riding Shimano?Lanakila
Jul 20, 2001 12:52 PM
He does in fact use the downtube shifter to save weight. You will usually only see this done on his climbing bike. It actually saves about 100 grams. Not a lot but every little bit helps. Shimano works every bit as well as Campy. I have two identical bikes except that one is Shimano Dura Ace and one is Campy Record. They both perform flawlessly. IF you have any mechanical ability whatsoever, you can tune a Shimano drive train.
Partly right...TJeanloz
Jul 20, 2001 1:37 PM
There are two reasons for using a downtube shifter. With Dura-Ace it saves 36g. Every little bit helps. But more importantly, a downtube shifter allows for infinite trim of the front derailuer- something not posible with STI. This is of particular importance on super light climbing bikes that don't have as much stiffness as a regular road bike.
re: why is everybody riding Shimano?Minnrider
Jul 20, 2001 8:35 PM
You can tune Shimano until you are blue in the face but it is the way it works that makes it noodly. The trim is NOT that great. And the feel is ODD. The shifting done on climbs may warrant a shifter on a downtube.100 grams, 36 grams, what gives?. See how much trim is on low end Shimano and you will know what I mean. I own Shimano and Campy bikes and what you get with lower priced Campy groups closer resembles the more expensive groups. If there was only Record and Dura Ace it may only be a preferential thing but as a whole, Campy groups offer more value for the money. All the TECHS around here agree. I don't race but my friends that do say that neutral support here is always Shimano. They run it whether they like it or not. Until that changes, Campy gets shut out.
FYI...Cima Coppi
Jul 20, 2001 2:58 PM
JU also uses a downtube shifter for the front derailleur on his climbing bike. I don't know what the weight savings is vs. Ergo, but it must be enough for him to request this change from his mechanic.