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Will LA go for another stage win or he is too conservative?(10 posts)

Will LA go for another stage win or he is too conservative?Bruno S
Jul 19, 2001 10:42 AM
One thing I do not like about Lance's strategy to win the tour is that is very methodical. It was no secret he would play it safe during the first week and then attack in the mountains. During the next mountain stages he may just pace himself to gain time over Simon and Kiliev until he gets the yellow jersey with no intention of winning a stage. One he gets the jersey he will be able to keep it until Paris by staying out of trouble with the help of his team. Although this formula works I would like to see him try to win more stages even though he may not need to do so. USPS strategy is very defensive. Lance could come truly as the best rider in the world if he wins stages just for the heck of it.
You're right!Old Guy
Jul 19, 2001 11:02 AM
There are a lot of things I wish Lance would do just for the heck of it to make the Tour more entertaining:

1. Drop his trousers when passing Ullrich.
2. Punch the irritating spectators who get in his face during long climbs.
3. Cry out "I'm da MAN" every time he finishes a stage.
4. Insult his main competitors to the press.
5. Prance around like a queer in a pink jersey before the next stage just to piss off Ullrich.

But you know what? The objective here is to win the Tour. And, as entertaining as these things might be, he will keep his eye on the objective.
More things Lance could doPaulCL
Jul 19, 2001 11:37 AM
1. Goose one of the podium girls
2. Wear big ears (ala: elephantino) on the next mountain stage
3. Get caught by the cameras taking a pee onto his fellow competitors

Face it...these things, and the even better suggestions in "old guy's" post, happen in the NBA not in professional cycling.

Lances' job is to win the overall, stages are just a nice add-on. Heck, Lemond won the tour one time without winning a single stage!
4 words: "lance" bike license plate NMHaiku d'état
Jul 19, 2001 12:40 PM
re: Will LA go for another stage win or he is too conservative?mr_spin
Jul 19, 2001 11:08 AM
I don't claim that Lance is the best rider in the world, but he certainly is a candidate. Who else would qualify? He is incredibly smart tactically, and he knows that winning stages for the heck of it is a pretty good way to lose the tour. He still needs the jersey, however, and USPS strategy is typically defensive only after they get the jersey.

Lance will certainly try to win the final TT, but he will only go for more road stages if the opportunity is there to put more hurt on his rivals. I doubt he will have any more chances. The Pyrenees are next, and there are a lot of Spanish riders and teams who haven't won anything yet. Expect the Basque team Euskatel, especially, to tear the place up. Lance won't respond to most of the coming attacks because all it does is waste effort. And wasted effort will lose him the tour.

No one wins stages for the heck of it.
re: Will LA go for another stage win or he is too conservative?mr_spin
Jul 19, 2001 12:10 PM
I don't claim that Lance is the best rider in the world, but he certainly is a candidate. Who else would qualify? He is incredibly smart tactically, and he knows that winning stages for the heck of it is a pretty good way to lose the tour. He still needs the jersey, however, and USPS strategy is typically defensive only after they get the jersey.

Lance will certainly try to win the final TT, but he will only go for more road stages if the opportunity is there to put more hurt on his rivals. I doubt he will have any more chances. The Pyrenees are next, and there are a lot of Spanish riders and teams who haven't won anything yet. Expect the Basque team Euskatel, especially, to tear the place up. Lance won't respond to most of the coming attacks because all it does is waste effort. And wasted effort will lose him the tour.

No one wins stages for the heck of it.
The only stage that he should win for the heck of it...BQ
Jul 19, 2001 2:06 PM
is the final stage. This isn't so much defensive as strategic. And it's a darned good strategy, IMHO.
too dangerous to do that, even, ...Shockee
Jul 19, 2001 2:58 PM
It would be costly for any contender to bother going for stage wins on flat days - and it was daring enough to do it by himself on D'Huez. I find his style refreshingly agressive after 2 decades of totally strategic and defensive riding by Tour winners. I think you have to understand that once the mountains are past, it will be imperative that Lance is protected from any and all possible mishaps and unnecessary expending of energy, and that means no going for stage wins.

On a side note, some have implied (before Lance starting winning Tours) that the days of such solo Tour dominators was long past - but I'm sure they said that before Merycx came onto the seen too? At any rate, you Americans are being spoiled with two huge Yankee Tour legends in less than 15 years - I'm jealous but loving it all on OLN!
I think he has tocyclopathic
Jul 19, 2001 7:26 PM
Telekom team is in much better shape then USPS. They can master assult and put Jan boy upfront and it would be hard for Lance to compete on flats. His main advantage is better power/weight ratio works only on climbs. On flats heavier Ullrich would have advantage with team support I doubt Lance can count on.

3min isn't big gap on someone like Ullrich. If LA gets out of mountains with only 3min gap, he is tosted, too much risk and he is not gonna take it. That fact that LA desided not to use TT bike on first 1/2 of Stage 11 TT tells that he is saving for attack /and realizes that gain on Stage 11 wouldn't be big enough to carry him to Paris/ None of USPS domestiques TT in first 60, and they have some good legs, TT olympic champ.. Tyler and George finished in 120s, can you believe it?

I'd expect him to attack on Stage 12 @ AX-LES-THERMES 7km 7% grade climb, more likely Stage 13 (a few cat 1 and HC climb), end of Stage 14 (2 HC climbs). So don't worry, history yet to unroll, get out your remote control |:o)
I think he has tomr_spin
Jul 20, 2001 9:38 AM
None of USPS domestiques TT in first 60? That's not news. News is three Telekoms in the top 20! Why is that good? USPS kicked back and had a relaxing ride--now they are fresh. The extra effort can't be good for Telekom, who wasted themselves the previous day, too. Where is their director sportif while they were doing this? Not too bright if you ask me. ONCE also had three in the top 20. These are contenders? Winning yellow requires that the team only expend the effort when necessary. Domestiques going for it in a mountain time trial is just dumb!

What a surprise, in today's stage USPS was fresh as a daisy, looking strong all day, while Telekom and ONCE were nowhere!