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Liggett, Lance
Jul 17, 2001 3:09 PM
Lance has all the makings of a truly epic TdF champ. His tactical sense is as keen as anyone in the peloton and almost as importantly his dramatic flair matches earlier champion's like Anquetil and Coppi. Today's late attack was magnificent very Merckx-like in its intent to crush physically and mentally.
One word about Phil Liggett, I am really happy with his commentary, he is interesting and knowledgeable. OLN is right on time --4 hours of coverage on this epic day I was in heaven
Phil and Paul are gods, no doubt about it.Spyder Ryder
Jul 17, 2001 6:24 PM
There is no equal.

'Nuff said
Phil and Paul are gods, no doubt about it.Trent in WA
Jul 17, 2001 6:59 PM
Indeed they are. If you're watching the coverage on TV, it's easy to miss just how clear and detailed their reportage is. I was listening to their Internet feed this morning when Lance gave Ullrich the Look of Death and dropped the hammer, and felt like radio listeners must have felt at the end of the 1953 Dodgers-Giants playoff game. It was amazing.
I was listening too.Lazy
Jul 17, 2001 7:14 PM
My favorite part: "...and the answer is...NOT!" That gave me chills in my little section of the cube farm. Awesome!
Phil and Paul are pinheads, no doubt about it.Skip Intro
Jul 18, 2001 9:32 AM
That's funny, just last night I was cursing at their stupidity. The list of shortcomings is long in my mind. They're masters of the obvious and champions of cliches. A couple of specific things that come to mind immediately:

How could they not at least entertain the thought that Armstrong was sandbagging--I mean, we all know he's in fantastic shape, he's been training for these specific stages, he hasn't been worked at all in the stages leading up to this one, you'd think, just maybe, the thought might have crossed their minds, but no, it's endless "Lance is just hanging on to ride another day, Ullrich is magnificent, what a brilliant ride Team Telekom has put in today..." ad naseum. Contrast that with the end when they were saying (rightly) that Team Telekom rode a terrible race strategically. To their credit, they had the grace to admit they'd been fooled. But they supposedly professional analysts, they should have seen it coming. And I don't buy the "maybe they were helping Lance by playing along" argument. 1) USPS isn't listening to the OLN broadcast & 2) they're supposed to be impartial (yeah right! they're total homers, they know what side their bread is buttered on), so if they recognized what was going on, they had a duty to convey it to the viewers.

Or consider my earlier compliant about the complete absence of analysis on the development of the "Grand Canyon" gap of 30 plus minutes on the Pontarlier stage. It's inexcusable to prattle on for nearly two hours while a truly remarkable and unprecedented lead is built up by a breakaway and never once discuss how such a thing could have come to pass.

Then add in the bird-brained language like "once they hit the climb on L'Alpe d'Huez, the peleton is literally goind to explode" or " to try and [any verb]", and you have plenty not to like with these clowns.

At least they have english accents. I guess that counts for something.

(PS: has anyone else read their little bios on the OLN site? Sherwan is said to live on theUgandan/Kenyan border, where his family runs a gold mine. That struck me as a pretty unusual livlihood (not to mention setting off some alarms. I mean, when I think of mining & the continent of Africa, I'm not thinking of happy people and healthy working conditions, etc.)
Thats what announcers do you idiotSpyder Ryder
Jul 18, 2001 9:37 PM
Listen to other cycling commentary and you'll see that I am right and you are an idiot. Listen to Sean Kelly on and you will see.

Better yet turn down the volume and try to comment on the tour yourself, but that means stringing together word chains longer than one sylable, so you may be out of the running.

Phil and Paul are the best, bar none, they know basically everything about the tour and its riders and know how to present it to the public better than anyone else. They play magnificently off each other and are having a good time also. So since it is easy to rag on someone, who would you have announce?? Varsha?? He cant even get the names right.

Just because you have some hidden agenda against 3rd world people dont take it out on the truth. Phil and Paul are the greatest cyclist commentators in the world.
To Phil and Paul's creditPaulCL
Jul 18, 2001 5:40 AM
How many sports announcers openly 'eat their words' on air?? Have you ever heard Dave Madden admit he was fooled or made a mistake?? Nope,never. Phil & Paul know that their commentary, overheard by DS's for all the teams, may have contributed to Lance's ability to fool the pelaton. Got to hand it to them for admitting they were taken in by the actor, Lance.
To Phil and Paul's credittdfcouchpotato
Jul 18, 2001 8:36 AM
I spent the stage yelling "Phil and Paul are full of sh#t" at my TV, but then later wondered if they were playing along a bit, aware that their commentary might effect the race.
re: Liggett, or Cleese??Elena
Jul 19, 2001 4:27 PM
I just found the 1/2hr updates on Fox Sports Net and heard Liggett's voice for the first time. Am I the only one who thinks I'm listening to a Monty Python commentary instead of Liggett? I keep expecting the Novel Writing (Live From Wessex) skit where Thomas Hardy is writing a new novel complete with the play-by-play commentary ("and it looks like 'Tess of the D'Urbervilles' all over again...")!!

Gotta love the bank holiday crowd though. nmLazy
Jul 20, 2001 6:45 AM