|I am getting ready for the hot flames ...||paladin|
Jul 16, 2001 4:41 AM
|by putting on my asbestos body suit.
After reading last year's posts concerning the great coverage provided by OLN, I was salivating while waiting for this year's TdF.
But I must say that I am very disappointed in the coverage.
First, OLN does not broadcast live ... not even their early morning show. How can they justify saying it is "live" when it is only memorex?
Second, sure the race is covered by providing hours of cyclists pedaling hard. But the camera shots and angles leave much to be desired. Do they only have three cameras?
Third, I thought OLN would share more technical stuff with us ordinary folk. There has been no insights to questions like:
* what makes the bikes special ... their gearing, the frame materials, the tires, the wheels etc.
* tell us about the feed zone and the foods the riders ingest
* tell us about their clothing and why it is important
* tell us more about the team and individual strategies involved
* tell us about the training routines
* tell us how riders posture their bodies to avoid cramps ... and what they do when they do get a cramp
I could go on and on ... but I won't.
I am not saying that OLN's coverage is not better than what the other networks have provided in years past. What I am saying is that OLN could do much more than they are and that I expected much much more.
Ok, my body suit is on ... so blast away. (But in your hearts ... you know I am correct!)
|Yeah, i want to go back to 30minutes a night on ESPN............||CDC|
Jul 16, 2001 6:11 AM
|......anyway. Your right, you should be flamed. As for the camera angles, and the 3 cameras comment. Unless I'm very wrong. It's not OLN cameras, its the world feed. How many angles do you want/expect from a moving motorcycle? Surely you don't think they have stationary cameras set up every 200 yards on a 100 mile route do you? Those are reserved for the finish. Anyway, i think we are lucky as hell that the Tour is on to the extent that it is. I wouldn't take OLN for granted, they might not be there next year, and who else would be willing to give as much time to the event?|
|What are you talking about?||BigMig|
Jul 16, 2001 6:33 AM
|Yes. I agree the OLN coverage could be improved with more insightfull technical fillers for bicyclist and not your average channel surfer (see my post abour OLN Live Coverage Rules).
But your other points are just plain nonsense.
The feed is produced by French Television. OLN gets the camera views French TV offers (via motorcycle or helicopter) and the focus is on whoever French TV chooses...not who OLN gets to pick.
OLN does not have rights to produce the tour and ride their cameras along with the tour...if every country did this there would be no room left on the road for the race. It is much like F1 if you have ever watched that. French TV feeds the broadcast to OLN who has Phil and Paul comment over it and they feed it to the US with a short delay for all of this to happen.
This is the same feed ESPN and CBS have always used also. Nobody is allowed to bring in their own TV cameras and never has been.
|I think their coverage is excellent||ColnagoFE|
Jul 16, 2001 7:46 AM
|What more could you want? If anything it's a bit too much. 2x a day of the stages? Who cares if it's taped?|
|too many commercials....||Lou M|
Jul 16, 2001 7:54 AM
|at least a 50/50 ratio. that is my only complain.|
Jul 16, 2001 1:21 PM
|Yes, the commercials are super annoying, but without them OLN wouldn't have the funding to bring us 6 hours of TdF daily. Poor Mercury. They buy a spot per break and then their guys don't make the final cut. As tired as I am of seeing the latest and greatest SUV from Mercury I feel I should bite my tongue and be grateful for the few American corporations than support cycling and make coverage by OLN possible.
Can't have your cake and eat it too my friend!
Jul 16, 2001 8:25 AM
|It is in my home. But who cares? If it means so much to you to see it live, maybe you should go to France and stand on the side of the road. I would if I could!
OLN is awesome! And the French camera work is actually very good. If you had seen the Giro, you would know how good the French are in comparison. The Italian TV feed was horrible--lots of shots of the ground, horrible graphics, etc.
Depending on the action or lack thereof, you'll hear all kinds of random trivia about equipment, clothing, training, strategies, etc. I'm not sure what your expectations are, but it seems that you haven't been paying attention to the commentary, because a lot of what you seek is in there.
Finally, the live (yes, LIVE) show is the least "produced" showing, so it may not be the best viewing for "ordinary folk" as you term yourself. All they do is show the French feed as it happens and do raw commentary. For the replay showings, OLN does a little editing, and adds in their own interviews and features. Watch the 9:00pm EST showing instead of the LIVE feed and you might find more of what you seek.
|re: I am getting ready for the hot flames ...||Skip Intro|
Jul 16, 2001 9:33 AM
|As someone else has already noted, the video is courtesy of French TV. OLN just provides english-language commentators who watch this feed and work from that. OLN's original content comes in the form of the segments with Bob Roll & the chick with too much makeup.
I have a serious compliant about OLN coverage, though. It regards those commentators. I watched almost all of yesterday's boardcast, and I never heard a single word on how the breakaway developed, or why the peloton hadn't bothered to reel them in. I had to read the coverage at velonews to learn that there'd been a crash, the peloton was split for awhile, and that Vino was in the break until he flatted, with USPS & Telekom in pursuit up to that point, since he's a GC threat. I sure never got any of this from Phil. Their commentary was on the level of marveling at the lead, and endless speculation about who might win the stage, but acting as if the lead itself was an act of god rather than the result of a strategic decisions by Telekom, USPS, etc.
|Chick with too much makeup huh?||CSIGuy|
Jul 16, 2001 1:33 PM
|Gotta agree that we needed more info in regards to how the split developed. That's pretty important stuff and seems pretty elementary from a commentating standpoint.
As for the "chick with too much makeup" comment though, are you referring too Jessica Greico? Hmmm...let's see she only won nine Jr./Sr. World Championship and Pan American Medals not to mention the fact that she was a U.S. National Team Member for nine years.
I'm sure she could rip my legs off, but of course I couldn't be sure if she could rip yours off! :-)
|Chick with too much makeup huh?||Skip Intro|
Jul 17, 2001 12:58 PM
|My bad for not knowing who she is, but the point still stands, she's wearing too much makeup!|
|want some cheese with that whine||Francis|
Jul 16, 2001 11:11 AM
|I'm not even going to read your entire post. I could also write down a 50 item list of why the current OLN coverage sucks but I'm not going to. If I looked at life that way, I would be Oscar the grouch and would commit suicide before the end of the week.
Life is good man. Coverage is good, USA is a good country, and earth is a pretty nice planet.
|re: I am getting ready for the hot flames ...||Larry Meade|
Jul 16, 2001 11:41 AM
|I appreciate their coverage for the very reasons you just stated. I don't need to be told what gear they are riding. I can look at the bike and get a pretty good idea. I know more or less what their bikes are made of and how they train to get where they are. I study the sport of cycling and subscribe to several publications that have exactly the information you are looking for. If you want to get to know a sport, study it. Don't rely on a single source for all of your knowledge. Their coverage seems to be geared more for the cycling fan than for someone wanting to learn the sport. We have had far too many years of that type of coverage and I am glad that OLN has chosen a different way to handle it. There seems to be more of this type of coverage in the evening broadcast if that is what you are looking for. The live broadcast is pretty no frills. Just the way I like it.|
|The coverage is geared towards people...||MeMyselfandI|
Jul 16, 2001 2:25 PM
|who are familier with the sport. |
They don't care about the following:
what makes the bikes special ... their gearing, the frame materials, the tires, the wheels etc.
tell us about the feed zone and the foods the riders ingest
tell us about their clothing and why it is important
tell us more about the team and individual strategies involved
tell us about the training routines
tell us how riders posture their bodies to avoid cramps ... and what they do when they do get a cramp
I would change the channel if I had to put up with that crap. Show the bike race, don't talk.
Jul 16, 2001 5:08 PM
|Maybe Paladin should watch the CBS coverage. You get to hear the history of the start town, all about the EuroTunnel, another tale of LAs cancer, and all kinds of other unrelated BS. If i'm gonna tune into a race, I want to see a race.
God Damn It...I want OLN. Tomorrow I'm traveling 1.5 hours to watch the evening coverage of L'alp D'huez (or however it's spelled) at a friend's house. This sucks!!!
|Have you ever seen US road coverage????||Jim Bennett|
Jul 16, 2001 9:06 PM
|Well if you have you would know that it sucks, and sucks bad. The Europeans really do a nice job in covering the event that really brings you into the action. It far surpasses any coverage I have seen on US TV.
OLNs camera views are a direct french feed so you can't blame them for the bad video coverage!
The one problem I really have with OLNs coverage is that they start when the race has already been going for 3-4 hrs, and typically you have a certain number of riders in a breakaway and the peloton a certain time behind. Same thing everyday. The mountain stages should be way more exciting but unfortunately we won't get to see all of it.
|re: I am getting ready for the hot flames ...||paladin|
Jul 17, 2001 6:12 AM
|Obviously, if someone voices their opinion that differs from yours, mob rule reigns. Just shout down the individual and the mob believes they have won.
You are correct, I am not in your class ... and I am glad.
It is so wonderful to know that y'all have not failed to live down to my expectations.
I shall repeat, I expected more (re: better) from OLN after having read your expert opinions. I never stated that OLN's coverage was not superior to network coverage.
Y'all have a nice life now, TTFN