|Ullrich on the web?||erol/frost|
Jul 15, 2001 5:09 AM
I was wondering if Jan Ullrich has a website like his TdF fellow Lance Armst´rong? any input on this would be greatly appreciated. h, and buthe way LA will win this years Tour with Jan as a close second. =)
|www.janullrich.de.... but brush up on your German. nm||jba|
Jul 15, 2001 11:25 AM
|hmmm...how about donuteatingunderachiever.com nm||slowideclyde|
Jul 15, 2001 7:45 PM
|Think before you write!!!||Cima Coppi|
Jul 16, 2001 6:53 AM
|Hey!! Your donut eating under-achiever has never placed less than 2nd in a TdF. Remember, he also won a TdF in 1997, which is 1 more than 99% of all of the other professional cyclists on the circuit. This guy kicks @$$, so don't knock him. He's and Olympic Gold medalist, a former world time trial champion, he's won his country's national championship, and he won the Vuelta a'Espana. You can't say that about Lance!! FYI, cycling isn't all about the TdF |
Now go sit with your donuts on the couch an watch the race!! I'll be out on my bike!
|Think before you write!!!||TJeanloz|
Jul 16, 2001 8:45 AM
|While I do believe that Ullrich is the most naturally gifted cyclist since Eddy Merckx, when you compare his palmares to Lance's, he comes up a little short. |
Both have 2 grand tour wins- Armstrong with 2 TdF, Ullrich 1 TdF-1 Vuelta. Edge goes to Armstrong, the Vuelta is no Tour de France.
Both have won their country's national championships.
Lance has a World RR title- Ullrich has a TT title. Ullrich also has an Espoir road title- won the same year that Lance won the RR title.
Edge goes to Ullrich.
Lance has a classics win under his belt, Liege-Bastogne-Liege. I can't think of a classic win for Ullrich (but I don't have a perfect memory). Advantage Armstrong.
You're right, cycling isn't all about the Tour, but outside of his Tour win, Ullrich hasn't shown us a whole lot in terms of classics, and certainly hasn't lived up to his potential.
|You must not be related to Fausto||slowideclyde|
Jul 16, 2001 3:53 PM
|I'm aware of his accomplishments and they are impressive indeed. Hey, I'm in awe of anyone who can simply finish Le Tour, much less win it or even finish on the podium or with any of the jerseys. Yet for years and years now we've been told that Jan is the natural successor to Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault, LeMond and Indurain. Of course there are many prestigious races other than TDF, but to suggest that it is not the ultimate goal of the very best cyclists in the world seems fallacious at best. Jan's won one time. Not exactly the resume one would expect from the new Boss. Second place? Not good enough in the world we live in, I'm afraid. Ask Fignon or Hinault about that. Neither will be remembered (well, Fignon will for all the wrong reasons) for finishing second to the great LeMond. Second to Lance I can see, but Riis and Pantani? Riis was Jan's own super domestique and Pantani will never be an all around rider. If Jan is the most talented rider since Merckx, he should'nt be finishing consistently second best in the biggest, most important race. Did Eddy? How about Indurain? By the way, who said anything about Lance? I never compared the two and I don't think either is a legend yet, certainly not in same way Merckx is if that's even possible nowadays. Respond if you like, but surely you can do so without any more childish donut comments. I don't eat donuts and I'll be on my bike after watching the race, so there.|
|The donut comment was uncalled for!!||Cima Coppi|
Jul 16, 2001 5:18 PM
|So accept my apologies for such a rude comment. My frustration is that Jan is a rider who, because of his early career achievements, has been put under the microscope of the world media. Because of that, if he does not live up to their expectations, he is a failure. Really, if you consider his achievement of winning a TdF at the age of 24, it's a true testimate to his cycling ability. The problem is he became the comparison to Merckx, Hinault, and Anquetil. This happens in every sport, and it ruins promising careers. Jan is still younger than LA, so there is a great change for him to win more TdF's and other major cycling events. Yes, he may need some discipline, but he will continue to be the major contender in the big tours and make them exciting to watch. |
The sad thing is that both LA and Ullrich have the ability to win so much more than just the TdF, but the pressure to win it is too great for them to compete in other events. Both can be great classics riders, and both probably have the ability to win the Giro and the Tour in the same season. The popularity of the TdF in modern cycling will probably prevent that.
Also, consider this. If it were not for the cancer that struck LA, he may never have been a contender for the GC in the big tours. Prior to his illness, he was a wonderful one day race rider, and a stage contender in the big tours. His physiology changed greatly during that dark time, and he became a new type of rider.
|Really, you made my argument for me in your first post||slowideclyde|
Jul 17, 2001 9:14 AM
|I thought about it afterwards, and by touting his 2nd place finishes you immediately must then rank him in a class below Merckx et al. I imagine for Merckx and the other true greats there's little difference between 2nd and last place. You do make some good points this time around. It's quite a burden Ullrich carries around. But I remember hearing the comparisons even before he won the TdF and how he was going to win every TdF in the near future. Jan is a great rider, a wunderkind, but he is not yet in the same class as the legends. He can't get there by ability alone; he also must prove he belongs there by winning the TdF a few more times. It is too bad he and Lance don't race more, but it is very nice to watch them every year in the greatest race of all. As for Lance, his cancer changed his psychology as well as his physiology, as we saw again today. After conquering cancer, what does he have to fear from any rider or any simple bicycle race?|| |