|LA about 2 minutes down???||TommyBoy|
Jul 12, 2001 9:53 AM
|How tough will it be for LA to make up his 2 minute deficit? CA is riding well. If they stick together, they might make it tough for LA to make up the deficit. Forget Ulrich... O'Grady is the main competition so far.|
|Bad news, good news||Francis|
Jul 12, 2001 10:13 AM
|The bad news is Lance is 2 minutes down and 15nth place. Julich, Beloki and Moreau seem like real threats for Paris!
The good news is he gained time over his main rival Ulrich, now 27 seconds behind.
Bravo Bobby Julich. Mr. Hard Luck kid is on the comeback and has got a good chance since he's a good climber!!
Overall Standings as of Thursday, Stage 5
1. O:GRADY Stuart (Aus), C.A en 20h 54:21 2. VOIGT Jens (G), C.A at 00:26
3. JULICH Bobby (USA), C.A at 00:27
4. GONZALEZ GALDEANO Igor (Sp), ONC at 00:57
5. BELOKI Joseba (Sp), ONC at 01:07
6. SASTRE Carlos (Sp), ONC at 01:08
7. JAKSCHE Jorg (G), ONC at 01:12
8. MOREAU Christophe (F), FES at 01:17
9. GUTIERREZ Ivan (Sp), ONC at 01:20
10. SERRANO Marcos (Sp), ONC at 01:23
11. BRARD Florent (F), FES at 01:24
12. CASERO Angel (Sp), FES at 01:33
13. PRADERA Mikel (Sp), ONC at 01:42
14. PEREZ Luis (Sp), FES at 01:50
15. ARMSTRONG Lance (USA), USP at 01:53
16. PENA Victor Hugo (Col), USP at 02:10
17. BOTERO Santiago (Col), KEL at 02:11
18. GUTIERREZ José Enrique (Sp), KEL at 02:17
19. ULLRICH Jan (G), TEL at 02:20
|Newbie, you need to do some more research.||Spyder Ryder|
Jul 12, 2001 10:13 AM
|O'Grady isn't a threat in the mountains or individual TT's Julich is the highest placer and the best shot out of the top 5. Julich did place 3rd in the 98 tour behind Pantani and Ullrich, he's a pretty good climber and TTrialist and he's only 1:30 ahead of Lance. Julich could make some noise this tour, after his 98 tour he crashed out of the 99 tour and wasnt in good form for the 2000 tour, so we could have 2 Americans on the podium in Paris. Looking at the GC I am looking at Beloki from ONCE, he is a mountain goat who was 3rd last tour and with a good team with him he could be in a good place when we come out of the mountains, the uphill time trial will be interesting and Lance should be able to gain about a minute back I would imagine on Beloki and that should put them at about the same time. Moreau is also about 30 sec ahead of Armstrong, and should be a contender.
WATCH JULICH!!!! He has the skill and now it seems he has the team to back him up as well.
|Newbie, you need to do some more research.||TommyBoy|
Jul 12, 2001 10:46 AM
Thanks for the condescending tone! I appreciate your input. I ceratinly don't know as much about all the riders as others her do... that's the reason I phrased it as a question.
Now I know!
|whatcha think about Botero?||jba|
Jul 12, 2001 12:05 PM
|Botero is good at TTs and mountains. I think he'll definitely look good in the mountains with his Kelme boys attacking.
Beloki, Botero, and Julich are looking good for one of the podium spots.
|whatcha think about Botero?||Spyder Ryder|
Jul 12, 2001 12:38 PM
|I think that Botero is more of a mountain goat since he won KoM last year, but he didnt place as high as Beloki in the overall GC, and if you cant ride a good TT then theres no way you can get 3rd in the tour with the exception of Pantani, but look at Virenque, he was always KoM but never placed that high on the podium because of his TTing.
God man get a clue NEWBIE!!!!
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||PhilippeC|
Jul 12, 2001 10:17 AM
|O'Grady will not be a factor in the mountains -- Vaughters (maybe) and Julich (more likely) will. Watch out for those two since they have a mean time trial as well (Vaughters won this year's time trial in the Dauphiné). Watch out for Moreau in the Mountains, he performed very well in the mountain stages of the Dauphiné. Oh, and don't discount Jan just yet, if the sun comes out in the mountains, there will be fireworks between he and Lance!!
I hope O'Grady can hang with the gruppeto through the Alpes and Pyrénées so that he can be a contender on the Champs!
Looks like this year's tour is turning out to be less of a yawn than one might have expected. I can't wait to see it in person next week!!
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||but dont know much|
Jul 12, 2001 11:33 AM
|I think Lance will be happy especially with two riders going down in the TTT. I still believe that Jan is Lance's biggest rival and threat but the CA squad surprised me and probably surprised the postal team as well. I think Julich has got to be respected. It may not just be Lance vs. Jan this year. Lance though must be happy that postal beat telekom.|
|oh, and don't forget Beloki!!! (nm)||PhilippeC|
Jul 12, 2001 10:20 AM
|If the tour ended today...||mr_spin|
Jul 12, 2001 10:39 AM
|O'Grady would win. Hooray!!! Oh, except the tour doesn't end today. Forget about O'Grady wearing yellow on the Champs Elysees. At a minimum, he has to make it past stage 9 and 10 wearing yellow, and everyone in the top 20 would have to drop out for that to happen.
Now Julich, there's a man well-placed. He can do the things necessary to make the podium, like climb and TT. And he and the team seem very, very motivated. Good for him. Two Americans on the podium? Wouldn't that be a sight to see! But you are quite silly to write off Ullrich, Armstrong, Beloki, Moreau, etc. at this point.
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||dough|
Jul 12, 2001 11:00 AM
|Next week there are 5 monsterous stages including a very tough mountain TT that Lance has been training for all year. The GC will look VERY different after those stages than it does at the moment.
Lance is doing just fine!
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||Larry Meade|
Jul 12, 2001 11:15 AM
|O'Grady isn't considered a GC contender. He has the jersey now because the real racing hasn't even begun yet. So far all we have seen is relatively flat stages and the TTT. Postal did about what they wanted to in the TTT. They didn't lose time to Telekom. The race will get serious in the mountains and individual TTs. The one to keep an eye on right now is Beloki. Julich is an outside possibility but he struggled for a minute in the TTT today. Two minutes in the mountains is nothing and I think you will see O'Grady lose the jersey relatively fast once the going gets tough. I would be more worried about O'Grady if my name were Zabel than Armstrong.|
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||Big Lug|
Jul 13, 2001 3:46 PM
|Julich didn't struggle in the TTT. He flatted!|
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||TommyBoy|
Jul 12, 2001 11:18 AM
|How far back has Lance been in the last couple tours?|
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||Ray Sachs|
Jul 12, 2001 1:08 PM
|In '99, he was pretty close prior to blowing it apart on Sestriers (sp). I may be wrong, but I believe he was down over 6 minutes last year before Huatacom. A few minute time gap at this point doesn't mean squat except if it's to another serious GC contender. There MAY be a couple up there, but O'Grady isn't one of them.
|re: LA about 2 minutes down???||dough|
Jul 13, 2001 7:21 PM
|I read in the Austin American Statesman that at this point last year Lance was in 16th place. I don't remember him being that far back but hey - if it was in the paper it must be true, right?|
|Stage 10 & 11...||Len J|
Jul 12, 2001 12:40 PM
|will decide the tour. The climb to L'Alpe D'Huez stage (with 3 Hors catagorie climbs over 209K) followed by the uphill 32K individual Time trial the next day. The uphill ITT ends with a 20K Hors catagorie climb with a 1250m gain in elevation. All of the leading riders are going to have to decide how much the can affors to gain or lose on each day. Very few (if any) riders are going to be able to ride both days all out. Lot's of strategy, Lot's of ways to lose or win the tour. Everything till then is just staying close (not losing the tour).
As Liggett likes to say "You can't win the tour in the flat stages, but you can sure lose it"
|Stage 10 & 11... &12-14 too!||dough|
Jul 12, 2001 1:21 PM
|Not only are stages 10 & 11 critical (esp. 11) but the contenders must be able to hang in there through 3 more extreme stages after that. Just go and look at stage 13's profile. It has one Cat 2, 4 Cat 1's, and finishes with a big fat Ho's category climb. Then the day after that they have to get through a very tough stage 14!
Only the very strongest will survive next week. It's going to be fun to watch!