|Campy - SR vs. NR vs. ??||laffeaux|
Dec 18, 2003 5:24 PM
|I have a bike that is built with '70s Campy components. I've always had bikes with Shimano or Suntour components. How can I tell what components these are? Velo-retro helps identify the years, but how do I identify the model?|
Dec 18, 2003 5:30 PM
|The rear der. is Nuovo Record, and the hubs say "Record". It's the other components that seem to not be marked.|
|Not much help||wooglin|
Dec 19, 2003 1:49 PM
|From what I've been able to figure out, NR was never really a full gruppo. If a bike came OEM with an NR "gruppo", a lot of the stuff was actually Record. The hubs, for example--I don't thing there were ever NR hubs, and all NR bike came with Record hubs.
According the campyonly.com, the only other NR part was the BB. Everything else would have been Record on an NR OEM bike. Then again, I think I've got an NR seat post at home....
Here's a link to the 1983 NR specs
and the SR specs from the same year
|And how's your Japanese? :)||wooglin|
Dec 19, 2003 1:57 PM
|Well, let's see...||Tom C|
Dec 19, 2003 9:41 PM
|Starting with the Headset N.R. steel with 1mm, I think shorter stack height than Nuovo Record. S.R. is aluminum with steel race inserts and is as expected, lighter. Brake calipers are the same i.e. simply record. So it's the brake levers which determine which is which. S.R. has drilled, they are actually pierced. N.R. is solid or plain uh undrilled. Cranks are simply Record. Cutout chainrings are S.R. not cutout N.R.once again lighter chainrings. Front derailleur all silver, non-cut out cage plate N.R. Black on the throw arm with cutout S.R. The rear has black on the body with a titanium fixing bolt if S.R. Ist generation S.R. is all silver, but says super record in relief on the body. That's the valuable one, by the way. N.R seatpost plain, 2 bolt. S.R. fluted 1 bolt except some early examples were, I believe, unfluted. S.R. bb had a titanium spindle and if I'm not mistaken 3/8 " bearings. It starts getting a little complicated here. i think there is N.R bb and simply record. They both have 1/4" bearings but there is a difference in the cups. My memory says pre78 was thick cups and post 78 was thick. No matter s.R. is the titanium spindled one and the other is steel. Ditto the pedals steel Vs. titanium pedal axle. did I leave anything out? Hubs, oh yes all simply record except some say there was a catalog reference to a super record hub but it was never released. If I forgot something, it's getting late and don't ask this question ever again.|
Dec 19, 2003 10:22 PM
|You should put that in a more readable format and publish it. No one seems to publish this info!
|More about the BB...||rwbadley|
Dec 19, 2003 11:30 PM
|Looking at some of my old campy stuff, some BB's have a fine sort of groove system machined on the (cups or spindle, I'm going on memory here) that is different from the others, what's with that?|
|Well the groove would turn its thread oppositely to.....||Tom C|
Dec 20, 2003 9:10 AM
|forward motion and keep water out of the bb by throwing it out rather than sucking it in. Did it work? Since I used mine with a BB shell that was cutout (Rossin) I can't really say. I do not recall having to re-grease after being caught in a heavy rain so I'm inclined to say yes, it did work. Oh I for got one thing last night, shifters, just simply Record although early ones had raised letters(relief) and the later ones were cut in. There were also N.R. S.L. black pedals steel axle, S.R. black cages, titanium axles, and N.R. steel (silver cages) steel axles and a track S.L. and steel track pedal.|
|The archimedes screw||M_Currie|
Dec 26, 2003 7:44 AM
|I had a record BB on my bike for many years, and yes the design worked pretty well. Of course it wouldn't help for immersion, but for road riding in the rain it seemed effective.|
|re: Campy - SR vs. NR vs. ??||il sogno|
Dec 21, 2003 7:23 PM
|I may be totally wrong, but I don't believe Super Record existed during the 1970's. The way I remember it, the top Campy component group was Nuovo Record, with some of the components simply labeled "Record." Of course, your bike might be built up with cheaper Campy components...and that's a can of worms I'd rather avoid altogether.|
|re: Campy - SR vs. NR vs. ??||Walter|
Dec 23, 2003 6:51 AM
|Tom C. covered it better than I could. Owning bikes with both, the early 1980s SR stuff stands out from NR pretty easily. The RD has the black anodizing and Campagnolo in a fine script across the body. The headset is, as Tom says, alloy. The 2 bolt NR post is a PITA in my opinion. I much prefer the SR and think that with the fluting it's a more attractive piece than modern offerings.
I too, have only seen the "Record" designation on hubs until you get to more recent times when names like Chorus begin to appear.
As an aside SR equipped bikes often came with pedals that are black anodized (cages) as well. These are the SL, or Super Leggieri (sp?) pedals and often fetch a nice price.