|Guess what I just bought?||VW|
Oct 15, 2003 7:57 PM
|Here is a picture of it. What a trashy looking bike right? Don't be fool by those ugly seat!|
|Any guesses? This will give you a better clue.||VW|
Oct 15, 2003 8:06 PM
|Any guesses? This will give you a better clue.||xcandrew|
Oct 16, 2003 3:35 AM
|Nervex Pro lugs... could be from many different makers. I'll guess Jack Taylor.|
|OK, more clue is needed.||VW|
Oct 16, 2003 7:52 AM
|Notice the "R" on the seat binder nut. Also, the circular cable stop for the center pulled brake and the semi-wrap-around seat stays.|
Oct 16, 2003 8:31 AM
|You are a winner ... I think ...||VW|
Oct 16, 2003 9:10 AM
|I'm not even 100% sure it is an International since the decals are missing. At least I know it is for sure a Raleigh!|
|That clears up some mystery.||Humma Hah|
Oct 16, 2003 12:48 PM
|I was trying to figure out what those wimpy-looking centerpulls were doing on that bike dripping with Campagnolo parts. They also looked totally anachronistic compared to the bar-end shifters.
Looks like a real find.
|The Centerpulls||mapei boy|
Oct 17, 2003 11:31 AM
|Back in '71, centerpulls were the way to go if you wanted decent brakes. Even the Campy side-pulls - which were the best side-pulls by a country mile - didn't have the power and finesse you could get with a good set of centerpulls.|
|I remember that ...||Humma Hah|
Oct 20, 2003 9:05 AM
|... I've never used them, never had the extra little gizmo to anchor the cable end, so I've always used side-pulls, which are notoriously wimpy until you get to the best grades of brake.|
|Which leaves the bar-end shifter question ...||Humma Hah|
Oct 20, 2003 9:08 AM
|... I take it that's a fairly recent upgrade? I recall, in 71, the serious roadbikes all had downtube shifters. The poseurs had 'em on the stem, along with "suicide levers" for the brakes. I don't remember bar-end shifters for that vintage at all.|
|Previous Owner Upgrade||VW|
Oct 21, 2003 8:31 AM
|The bar end shifters are campy-made upgraded by owner(s) in the past. I didn't even know campy made bar end shifter. The guy who sold the bike to me also gave me downtube campy shifters which I assumed are the original shifters, along with a Silca umbrella pump clip, and an extra bottom bracket cable router. See picture posted.
|Bar-ends were a common upgrade in the 70s||Straightblock|
Oct 21, 2003 8:35 AM
|Campy friction bar-ends would have been a period-correct upgrade on an early 70s bike. A few years later when Japanese components started to show up on better quality bikes, SunTour introduced their nice ratcheting bar-cons. The SunTours were a popular replacement for downtube shifters or nut-busting stem shifters during the 70s 10-speed bike boom, and a few bikes even offered them as original equipment.
I've still got a pair of Suntours in a parts box, in case I ever set the tandem up with a drag brake, or decide to ue them on one of the many retro projects I've got in my head.
|Bar-ends were a common upgrade in the 70s||wooglin|
Oct 21, 2003 9:54 AM
|Particularly for touring, which I vaguely remember as being all the rage in the 70s. ;) The International had more relaxed geometry than the Pro, and also had rack eyelets on the dropouts. Good, stable touring rig. Put a new fork on there (or not) and it'll be a great long distance ride.|
|Here's some extra parts I got from the last owner.||VW|
Oct 16, 2003 9:40 AM
|Checking the RetroRaleigh website, the serial# indicates this is a 1971 frame. It is currently equipped with:
1. Campy Record high flange Hubs with Fiamme Red rear rim and Araya front rim (this is for sure a non-original rim).
2. Campy Record? crank with 52/44.
3. Campy Record? headset.
4. Campy seatpost
5. Campy Record front derailluer and Nuovo Record rear.
6. AVA stem with plain unmarked alloy handlebar.
7. Universal Center-pull brakes and Universal levers.
8. Campy pedals.
This bike is missing the half chrome fork and rear triangle. Also the front lugs should be chromed. I'm guessing the chrome was painted over because chrome was very unpopular in the late 70's.
I was also suspecting this was a Raleigh Super Course frame with upgraded components because the Super Course also has the same Nervar lugs. The Super Course frame should only have straight 531 main tubes, so I expected the frame should be slightly heavier. I weighed the bike and found it to be 23lbs ... very close to the 24lbs specified for the International in the 1972 catalog. The Super Course was spec'd at 27lbs.
Anybody have some good ideas on restoring this bike? Is it going to cost a fortune? Is it going to be worth it?
|Yes , the wheels are true and everything in working order (nm)||VW|
Oct 16, 2003 9:46 AM
|It won't be worth a million bucks, but ...||Humma Hah|
Oct 16, 2003 12:55 PM
|... I'd have to say, absolutely, restore it.
Doesn't look like the paint and decals are in good enough shape to preserve ... that's a shame. But it means you're free to refinish it to any degree you wish.
I was looking at one of my favorite shop websites, Maple Island Sales, to see if they had decals for Ralieghs. Alas, they don't. They carry them for many other bikes, though. Maybe someone at Retro Ralieghs knows a source.
CyclArt.com could certainly restore the paint, and probably the decals. They even do chrome if you're really serious. Powdercoat and decals for my Schwinn cruiser ran about $360 a few years ago, and that's top dollar. If you can find the decals, a good job would probably be available for 1/3 that much.
|Re ... It won't be worth a million bucks, but ...||VW|
Oct 16, 2003 1:15 PM
|Yeah ...and I will probably spend too much restoring it, but I will restore it because it was my childhood bike dream bike. The Raleigh Professional/Team Pro was actually my dream bikes, but this is close enough especially when I will probably be more comfortable with International at my advanced age!!
|I've probably got well over $600 of restoration and upgrades ...||Humma Hah|
Oct 17, 2003 6:53 AM
|... on the cruiser, not including normal wear and tear replacements. The bike cost $90 new, and was already so obsolete a design it predated me by about 15 years.
Is that too much? I spent a lot of time scheming how to do the job cheaply before I just threw up my hands and turned it over to an internationally-known pro. As it turns out, the money I spent is no longer important. The satisfaction is EVERYTHING. It changed the whole nature of the bike from an ugly rat-bike to a head-turner, and the increased value justified doing other upgrades.
|Not Univeral center-pull, Weinmann center-pull brakes (nm)||VW|
Oct 17, 2003 7:34 AM
|Weinmann center-pull brakes||mapei boy|
Oct 17, 2003 11:35 AM
|Weinmann Vainqueur, no less...which I believe were the top of the line.|
|re: Guess what I just bought?||Birddog|
Oct 22, 2003 8:56 PM
|Your bike bears an uncanny resemblance to the Mondia I just bought, ie nervex lugs, centerpull brakes, bar end shifters, relaxed geo, Campy N.Record components, etc. Do your barend shifter cable housings resemble "throttle or choke cable" steel housings?, mine do, and I guess it was the way they were then, not vinyl or plastic covered.
|Yup ... uncovered cable housing! (nm)||VW|
Oct 23, 2003 12:12 PM