|Raleigh competition questions||Farmer John|
Jun 24, 2003 9:53 AM
|I had a customer of mine drop off a project bike for me recently and in looking it over and doing some research, I am having trouble figuring if it's original or not.
I don't think it is.
It is definately a Raleigh competition frameset, black in color. Chromed lowers on the fork (Carlton Stickers, but not sloping shoulders), painted stays. This leads me to think it's an early 70s piece. The lugwork is also not what I've seen represented as found on the competition though, but have seen them in pics on Retroraleigh.com of a 73 International.
Gruppo says otherwise. all original Dura Ace, with the exception of SunTour Cyclone derailers. Wheelset is tubular and uses a 6 speed freewheel.
this would lead me to beleive it's from the late 70s.
|Likely not original||Straightblock|
Jun 24, 2003 10:31 AM
|I worked at the LBS, a Raleigh dealer, in the mid-late 70's, and the Competitions of that era that I saw had Huret deraillers or a Campy Gran Sport group. I don't remember any Japanese groups on anything higher than the Super Course. Looks like someone's done some upgrading.|
Jun 29, 2003 5:52 AM
|Defintely upgraded components. The retroraleigh page should have a list of serial numbers that will help you date the frame. And I've got pics of one (frame only) from the early 70s if that will help. Just let me know what you want to see and I'll check if I've got it.|
|Some decisions to be made||Farmer John|
Jun 30, 2003 4:10 AM
|It's definitely a '73. It is for certain not original.
So the question is, return her to her Campy GS glory and restoration, or, Pull the Crane dérailleur off my same era Torpado, find a suitable Shimano, front D. and shifters and redo it as I'd like to see it daily?
Being a Competition and not an International or Pro, it would never have the value(?) that the upper two models would have and I feel the expense of hunting down a complete GS Group not really Worth it.
On another note, if I am not going the restoration route, give me a good reason not to lace up some 700c clincher rims and not have to deal with the added maintenance with tubulars.
Plus, the lugwork is so pretty, it would be a shame to hide them behind all that black lacquer.
|Fix it to your taste||Walter|
Jul 3, 2003 6:34 PM
|I agree with your assessments of future collectability so I say kit it out as you'd prefer. Campy GS is good but it's not Record. It is still pretty expensive though.
Personally, I'd love to find an excuse to build a retro ride with SunTour Superbe, my favorite Asian group.
Mavic OPs "look" retro enough to be on a 70s bike and clincher advantages are pretty plain to see, though my retro Basso currently has it's sew-ups on,(I have a clincher wheelset for it to).
Don't get me wrong I'm all for restoring original vintage rides but if the originlity is already lost....
|to tell the truth...||Farmer John|
Jul 6, 2003 3:41 PM
|there just isn't a lot of fixing to be done. the frame and fork measure out straight, the hubs, BB and headset turn like glass on melted butter.
All it needs is a clean chain, cables, brake pads and a new set of sew-ups.
I just think that given it's heritage and beauty (Yes, it's a blooming love affair anytime I see a lugged steel frame. the guys in my shop have a slobber towel handy whenever we get a vintage piece in for repair) that it deserves to be ridden daily and for me to do that comfortably (and of course with some level of cost effectiveness) that it needs to wear clinchers. I may coldset the rear triangle to accept a modern hub, but that would seem to border on heresy.
She also deserves a fresh finish, I'm planning on a flight of fantasy there.
but I could ride her tomorrow, well, if I had more than one tubular in stock....