|Nuovo Record Triple??? Old knees need gears!||hdnoise|
Jun 9, 2003 1:10 PM
|I have an 80's Colnago Master, super record all around, front is 52/41, 6sp. freewheel is 13/26. I love the bike but some centuries have walls I just can't grind up so am looking to gear down. I believe my current combination is maxed out for the components. I once saw a nuovo record 170mm triple crankset (144) and am now looking for another... I assume the front derailleur must change (braze on)?? Can anyone give me some insight on my issue? I could cold set the rear to take a "modern" setup but am frankly happy with the ease of adjustment and maintenance with the friction stuff. All ideas are welcome!|
|Nuovo or Super Record triple will cost you.||MR_GRUMPY|
Jun 10, 2003 11:34 AM
|Why not replace your 6 speed freewheel with a 7 speed ? 7's are 126mm also, and were common in the 80's.
I don't remember if Campy made any, but I think that Schwinn, in Chicago altered a bunch into triples, because of the market for them.
|Nuovo or Super Record triple will cost you.||hdnoise|
Jun 10, 2003 6:18 PM
|I suspect it will be expensive, but not relative to a modern Campy group.... yeah, I'm a campy fan....so switching to shimano drive train doesn't appeal to me although I know a mid or long cage rear dr. would allow for a larger cog.
My campy rear dr. will only handle a 26 tooth low gear so, as I understand it, making it a 7speed is limited to the higher gears, which are not what I need - low gear is the issue.
I didn't know about Schwinn and modified triples...I assume this was for Paramounts? I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Thanks, and any other ideas are welcome....
|re: Nuovo Record Triple??? Old knees need gears!||desmo|
Jun 11, 2003 11:14 AM
|I have seen NR triples on early 70's Paramount's, I know there's a crankset at my local LBS (but don't think it's for sale). Why not try a modern Veloce set up, probably cheaper than finding a nice vintage triple. Not sure about the front der., maybe Veloce as well but run with the friction shifter.|
|re: Nuovo Record Triple??? Old knees need gears!||hdnoise|
Jun 11, 2003 10:11 PM
|Thanks, I'll keep Veloce in mind.... do you know if Veloce is significantly different than a modern Record or Racing triple? I assume they are still for tapered spindles so it would be a bolt on operation to my current bottom bracket. My impression is that the differences are typically weight and finish as one moves down from Record. I understand there is no Chorus triple...
Thanks for the input....
|taper is the same...||desmo|
Jun 12, 2003 8:06 AM
|looks completely different from Record (but maybe more at home on a vintage bike), and heavier. I think the Record triple stuff is all 10 speed size as well. It will still work with a 9 speed chain but might not last as long as the Veloce.|
|taper is the same...||hdnoise|
Jun 12, 2003 7:44 PM
|Good info, thank you. Do you know if I can live with the existing front vintage derailleur or must I go to a friction triple, also Veloce?|
|I would go with the Veloce triple front der.||desmo|
Jun 13, 2003 8:30 AM
|and use a friction shifter. The Veloce stuff is pretty inexpensive so why fart around with used stuff. You may also be able to find an older indexed downtube shifter to work with it, but I think it would be simpler and more reliable to go friction (even if it takes more rider "input").|
|I would go with the Veloce triple front der.||hdnoise|
Jun 13, 2003 10:50 AM
|Rider input is no problem...How about rear der. Ok as is or also a Veloce - or other? I have no experience with the indexed systems. Will the derailleurs all run with friction? Thanks...|
|huh, I forgot that part.||desmo|
Jun 13, 2003 8:05 PM
|I guess the old SR rear der. will probably not take up the slack of a 30 chainring, so yes a long cage Veloce might be on the menu as well. No problem using friction, it will work fine. But now that you are replacing half the drivetrain are you sure you dont want to upgrade the whole thing to Centaur or Chorus 10? The 13-29 cassette with a 39 front ring is damn close to a triple ratio and will work much nicer. I know you would have to spread the frame to 130 and replace the rear hub, but you still could run it with the friction d/t's if you don't want to spring for (or just don't want) Ergo's. Sorry if I'm confusing matters!|
|huh, I forgot that part.||hdnoise|
Jun 14, 2003 8:01 AM
|Not confusing at all. That's been my quandry, do I nibble at this, hoping for a vintage triple set up via nuovo record triple (if and when I find one, plus who knows what derailleur challenges) or do I go modern....Record/chorus 10(or 9 or 8) maxed out with a 2x instead of a 3x may simply be as effective and the parts are available new and used. Does a 29 work with a short cage or mid? I'm not convinced I need 10 so may be able to do a used 8 or 9 set up at a reasonable cost... It IS hard to give up the old SR stuff tho, retro grouch that I am. Thanks for your insights..|
|huh, I forgot that part.||desmo|
Jun 15, 2003 8:55 AM
|The 10 speed is nice for that 13-29 cassette if your needing the low gear. It's still a nice tight cluster until you get in the last few low gears. It will work with a modern short cage der. but will work better (and probably safer) with a medium cage. My solution to your last statement is to have more than one bike. I can have a fully modern Record 10 Foco steel 17 pounder to race and train on, and keep my 70's NR Italvega near stock for rides where character counts.|
|Thanks for the insights...nm||hdnoise|
Jun 18, 2003 1:41 PM