|Help me out with Cinelli handlebar info?||Humma Hah|
May 28, 2003 6:13 PM
|The '74 Paramount is presently steered by a set of Cannondale Aluminum Advantage bars and stem, which I bought complete with levers for the outrageous sum of $2. They're servicable, but all parties agree the bike should have Cinelli bars. Until then, I'm taping almost to the stem to hide their identity.
Several Cinelli bars are on e-bay right now and the bidding is really low. This looks like the nicest set ... there are a couple more of similar description but used and a bit scratched up. One set does have the close-up photo of the stamped logos.
The posters are including bar width, but not diameter. Are these likely to fit my stem? Reasonably representative of what the bike should have?
>> These are brand new still in original wrappers. Campione Del Mondo 66-40 handlebars. I know the 40cm is the width, about 15 3/4".
If the auction winner wants it I will include two rolls of Benotto handlebar tape, your choice, red or yellow.
>>Not grooved, these bars are from circa 1984.
|Campione Del Mondo 66-40 is a 26.4 diameter||Dave Hickey|
May 28, 2003 6:37 PM
|All Cinelli bars prior to 1996(?) have a 26.4 diameter. In the late 90's Cinelli changed to the standard 26.0. If you get the 26.4 Cinelli bars, 26.4 stems can be had for less than $20. I buy them all the time on Ebay. I've converted all my bikes to Cinelli 26.4 XA stems and Giro handlebars. I paid $15 for a perfect condition Cinelli XA stem. NOS items go to the Japanese collectors. Excellent/perfect condition stems can be had very cheap.|
|More info..||Dave Hickey|
May 28, 2003 6:42 PM
|For you to be period correct, you need a 1A stem. I'm not sure what length you need but here's one for $20
|More More info..||desmo|
May 28, 2003 9:38 PM
|Just so you know, the model 66 has a really deep drop. Model 64's are the sweet one if you're not a gorilla.|
|Could be why ...||Humma Hah|
May 29, 2003 6:51 AM
|... Three for three, the vintage bars I saw were all 66. I wonder how they compare to the Cannondales? What do I measure to compare?|
May 29, 2003 9:45 AM
|I have the Cinelli 66-44 on 2 bikes and I am 6'0" with a 35" shirt sleeve length, it that helps any on sizing. I don't consider my arms to be overly long. The deeper drops, compared to a Cinelli 64 which I had on an older bike, are nice if you want to get down a little lower going into a headwind or whenever else you use the drops in your riding. If you are like most of us, you spend most of your time on the hoods or the top of the bar and there, the 66 and 64 are pretty much the same.|
May 30, 2003 6:14 AM
|I've got 66s as well. They let me run the tops/stem a little higher while keeping the drops the same relative to the seat. Be advised that they also give you just a bit more stretch to the hoods. You can see the shape and size pretty clearly I think in this photo:
|OK, I've got my trusty tape measure out ...||Humma Hah|
May 31, 2003 2:25 PM
|The existing bars are presently set up so they feel really good in the drops, like I was born to ride there, so I'd like to wind up with the new bars about the same height in the drops. Contrary to some advice gotten here, but perfectly in keeping with the photos of most folk's roadbikes, the bottoms are nearly parallel with the ground, not pointed at the der or chain (couldn't get comfortable there). I have not quite found a comfortable position for the brakes when in the hoods, but expect to settle on one today or tomorrow.
The present stem is at it's do-not-exceed height, and is clamping a bar diameter of about 25.3 mm (I'm guessing 1"), so it's gonna be tossed if I get Cinelli 26.4 mm bars. The center of the bar is about 5.5 cm higher than the do-not-exceed mark, and 6.6 cm forward of the centerline of the headset. I don't want to extend this distance forward ... reaching forward more does not seem comfortable. The ability to adjust higher would be welcome, especially if the Cinelli's drop is deeper.
The drop of the present bars is 6", or 15.2 cm, center to center, tops to bar ends. Center to center width between the bar ends is 41.6 cm. I can certainly handle 40 cm width.
So, can anyone tell me how much drop the 66 and 64 Cinelli's have, so I can make a good guess at what stem I'll need?
|OK, I've got my trusty tape measure out ...||cdhbrad|
May 31, 2003 3:36 PM
|A pair of my 66s measured about 17.5 cm of drop measured the same way you described. I don't current have any 64s, but a set of 63-40s measured 16.0 cm. My guess is that the 64s may be a little deeper than the 63s.|
|Thanks! Hmmm, about an inch deeper than the C'dales ...||Humma Hah|
May 31, 2003 4:04 PM
|... yup, gonna need a pretty tall stem.
The Cinelli 1A stems on e-bay are being given with a single measurement, like 10 cm or 12.5 cm. What, exactly, are they measuring?
|Thanks! Hmmm, about an inch deeper than the C'dales ...||cdhbrad|
Jun 1, 2003 5:43 PM
|Those measurements are the "reach" or length of the stem, basically from the center of the bolt in the center of the stem to the center of the bars. If you are comfortable with the current stem/bar combination that you have, measure from the tip of the nose of your saddle to the center of the bars, then from the tip of the saddle to the center of the tightening bolt for the stem. Subtracting the shorter from the longer measurement will give you the approximate "reach" of the stem you need when looking for a replacement.|
May 31, 2003 7:23 PM
|66's are just about a whole diameter of the tube (+ or -) lower than the 64's. I think 63's and 64's are the same drop, the 63's just don't have that nice curve into the drops, they're more "round" like a 66.|
Jun 5, 2003 6:56 AM
|The 63's are actually a deeper drop than the 64's, but not as much as the 66's. They were only available in narrow sizes (38-40) though.|
|heh humma -- free Cinelli bar if you pay shipping||tarwheel|
Jun 2, 2003 11:23 AM
|I've got some old Cinelli handlebars that came off my circa 1985 Bianchi. I'll give them to you if you pay the shipping. The bike also had a Cinelli stem, which I sold a while ago. I think they measure 42 cm wide, but will need to check to make sure. Not sure of the model, but it's stamped on the front. A few scratches from removing the stem, but otherwise good condition.|
|Identical width to what I'm riding. SOLD!||Humma Hah|
Jun 2, 2003 2:42 PM
|Where do I send the check? And I'm sure the bars are worth at least ten bucks more than the shipping based on what I'm seeing on e-bay.
9950 Wakeman Dr.
Manassas, VA 20110-2702
I'll figure out the stem later ... it'll be a 100 mm reach and long enough to do the job.
|send me your email||tarwheel|
Jun 3, 2003 5:34 AM
|Hummah -- My email address is email@example.com. Sorry, I forgot to check the handlebar when I got home last night -- trying to squeeze in a ride after work on one of the few rainless days we've had in weeks. I will get you all the measurements and email you tonight. It's a Cinelli bar with inscribed logo on the front. It fit a standard Cinelli stem of that era, so it's probably 26 mm or thereabouts. All I care about is shipping costs. My contribution to the Paramount renovation.|
|Sent ...||Humma Hah|
Jun 3, 2003 6:56 AM
|... I got off work more or less on time last night, and the weather was nice for a change. (We had a total of 7 days with no rain in May). The cruiser's headlight battery had a full charge, and there was plenty of daylight left. I said, "what the heck, hang a right instead of a left ... good night to run the parkway." I changed the 5.2 mile commute home into an even 26.
Tonight will be pouring down rain.
|Sent ...||bianchi boy|
Jun 3, 2003 6:17 PM
|I sent you an email with more details, but my bar is a 3TTT. Still a nice bar, but might not be exactly what you're looking for. Let me know after reading my email.|| |