|What Schwinn is this?||Fixie-ated|
Apr 28, 2003 8:56 AM
|I came across a Scwhinn frame a few years ago and I have been riding some as a fixed gear. I just had it refinished and it turned out much better than I had expected.
It is a bit big for me and am considering selling it, but I don't know if it would be worth the effort.
Can anyone help me determine which model it is? This is what I know.
It is a Columbus lugged frame. I know it is Columbus because of a partial Columbus decal on the frame, only the top portion.
It has a metal head badge, screwed on, not glued. Very classy looking.
It has 130 rear spacing, so I suppose it is not very old. The rear drop outs are the long Campy style and there appears to have been some rach eyelets on the drop outs, but have been removed.
If you look closely, you can see a slight cut out in the drop outs that make me think the eyelets were once there.
There is a serial number, but I do not have it with me.
The 57 (22 1/2) c to c frame alone weighs in at just under 5lbs.
Any clues as to brand or what price I should ask?
BTW, The powdercoat (red, to match the head badge) set me back $85.00, so I would not sell it for less than $100.00 for it to be worth while.
|I'm comparing it to a picture ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 28, 2003 9:18 AM
|... on p 137 of Pridemore and Hurd's book _Schwinn Bicycles_. That photo shows Eric Heiden on a Waterford-built 1982 Paramount with those lugs and seat-stay ends. The head-badge is also consistent with a Paramount. The bike in the book's picture lacks the water-bottle bosses. With that drop-out spacing, it may be a little later model.
I have no idea what the reference to Columbus is.
and browse around until you find his listing of Schwinn serial numbers. That should let you figure out the year and month of manufacture. Waterford also has a website that may give you some Schwinn historical info.
|As for value ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 28, 2003 9:23 AM
|No Paramount frame in decent shape should be worth less than $200, and probably considerably more. I paid $450 for my '74 on e-bay (original paint, decals, chrome, and rare frame features tend to puff up the price). You'll certainly get the cost of your powdercoat out of it if it does, indeed, turn out to be a 'Mount, which seems likely.|
|re: What Schwinn is this?||hnmalone|
Apr 28, 2003 9:32 AM
|Definitely check the serial number, and then go to the Waterford web-site, which lists Paramount serial number conventions going way back.
|re: What Schwinn is this?||Fixie-ated|
Apr 28, 2003 10:42 AM
|Thanks both of you, excellent info. Based on the S#, this was an 83 Paramount, most likely built for long distance touring with Columbus SL.
A previous owner must have removed the eyelets for racing I guess.
|re: What Schwinn is this?||MWM|
Apr 30, 2003 6:24 AM
|I have a mid-late 80's Schwinn Tempo with identical lugs, head badge, bottle bosses, and front & rear cable guides. Mine has rear rack eyelets still in place and also a chain hanger. Columbus Tenax sticker on downtube. I'm not sure where the Tempo fell in Schwinn's lineup but framewise it looks esentially identical. Teal and white with 105 all around.|
|Lugs on production Schwinns are rare ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 30, 2003 1:17 PM
|... most were welded. That makes me think the Tempo was Waterford-built, a sort of lower-grade Paramount (maybe a lower grade of tubing?). I can find no mention of the model in Pridemore and Hurd's _Schwinn Bicycles_.|
|Weren't the Volare frames lugged? nm...||bicyclerepairman|
Apr 30, 2003 2:46 PM
|Yes, they were. Nice bikes too (nm)||Walter|
Apr 30, 2003 5:56 PM
|Some of the Japanese Schwinns were lugged||rwbadley|
Apr 30, 2003 8:00 PM
|The Tempo I have seen, a friend of mine had one, it rode ok. It was Columbus Tenax, I think a straight gauge tubing. Fairly heavy, I remember it rode a little harsh in the front, but overall a pretty decent bike.
I have also seen a few of the Schwinns that were fillet brazed. The Sprint (from other post) was fillet brazed head and seat, but lugged at BB (or was it the other way around?) The tandems were fillet brazed. I always wonder who did their fillet brazing? If Lucille and Wanda did most of the lugs... Who did the fillets? They are so different to do than lugs, it would seem to be an altogether different discipline.
|Some of the Japanese Schwinns were lugged||hnmalone|
May 1, 2003 9:32 AM
|Or Far East, whatever. Yes, I remember buying my wife a lugged World Sport in the late '70s. I think I learned from later reading that they were built for Schwinn by Giant, back when Giant was just a contract builder.|
|I have lugged World Voyageur...||Djudd|
May 2, 2003 2:23 PM
|1973 vintage built by Panasonic I heard...very good bike|
|What color, and what parts did it come with? nm||bicyclerepairman|
May 2, 2003 3:21 PM
|It's orange and I bought it as a frame...||Djudd|
May 5, 2003 5:13 PM
|I've found the 1st generation Dura-Ace crank but the other parts are not what was on the bike as original equipment...sorry it took so long to answer I am in the process of moving...I'll post a picture as soon as I can. It's my fixie long distance machine|
|It's orange and I bought it as a frame...||bicyclerepairman|
May 6, 2003 3:06 PM
|Mine is orange (I'm the 2nd owner) painted over a chromed 4130 double butted frame. Suntour GS dropouts. Shimano drivetrain (Dura-Ace...hollow bb spindle... & Crane) Dia-Compe centerpull brakes (orange anodised brake lever pivot bushing matches frame color!) High flange hubs with 4x spoke pattern to Araya alloy rims.|
|I put centerpulls on the front and they are great...||Djudd|
May 7, 2003 5:02 PM
|the frame is uniquely smooth and great as a fixed gear.Lately I've been considering stripping the paint and shining the chrome but I'm torn...I kind of like the orange. I love the long, chrome dropouts...they make the hubs look clean and shiny.|
|Lugs on production Schwinns are rare ...||Picshooter|
May 5, 2003 5:48 PM
|I have a 1987 Schwinn Circuit. It was a top of the line complete bike built with a Sante Group.Above that was the Prologue Frameset then the Paramount.
When I bought it I was told it was built in Greeneville MS.I am not sure how long that factory was in production.
It is lugged and has the same headbadge, but no eyelets.
The Columbus decal said "tretubi" I was told the stays were Tange. It has a nice ride and is on its third paintjob.
|Weren't later model Schwinn Travelers lugged? nm||bicyclerepairman|
May 23, 2003 2:54 PM
|re: What Schwinn is this?||jdog1|
May 6, 2003 7:31 PM
|I recently picked up an old Schwinn Tempo, I'm guessing from the mid 80's. The frame has lugs very similar to the picture posted. It has a Columbus Tenax sticker on the down tube and says made in Japan for Schwinn Bicycle Company right below it. It's light metallic blue with white and yellow lettering. The head-badge says Schwinn across the top and Tempo across the bottom. The serial number is 5F05120, stamped right on the front of the bottom head tube lug. I understand the Tempo was a mid-range bike. Haven't ridden it yet. It was in excellent shape and has been a fun restoration project.|
|re: I have a lugged Schwinn Prologue||Frank121|
May 3, 2003 10:41 AM
|that was Asian made. It is in very nice condition and looks to be very well made. Is too big for me or I would certainly build it up...it is that nice.|
|I'm curious ... serial numbers on all these lugged non-Paramount||Humma Hah|
May 3, 2003 12:42 PM
|The Prologue pictured above has those same lugs and seat-stay ends I identified in the book picture of a Waterford Paramount. I can see that all the contract-builders at the time may have been using the same basic design and lug set, althought that means they were sticking to the more expensive, hand-built techniques of brazing or silver-soldering the frames.
Could you guys with the non-Paramount lugged Schwinns visit the Waterford website (waterfordbikes.com) and check to see if your serial numbers fit into their Paramount scheme?
|I'm curious ... serial numbers on all these lugged non-Paramount||big fred|
May 4, 2003 1:43 PM
|I have a lugged Schwinn but its' numbers don't fit the scheme and I am trying to figure out where or what it is.
It has been repainted so all orig. decals are gone. It is light weight and built up it comes in at 19lbs. Campy drops, same lugs as on the later frames.
Numbers on BB shell are c975481. According to the Waterford website, Paramounts were put to bed in the mid 90's which would make this bike a mystery.
Any help is appreciated.
|I'm curious ... serial numbers on all these lugged non-Paramount||MWM|
May 7, 2003 5:18 AM
|My Schwinn Tempo mentioned above has serial # J 64150. Big space between the J and the number. The bike has to be from the mid-late 80's (105, SIS, Biopace, 6spd cassette). I doubt if it was built by Waterford but suspect it was built in Mis. or Japan. I checked Keiths Bikes and the Waterford site but came to no conclusions. Any other sites out there for research?|
|A very complete list thru '82 ...||Humma Hah|
May 12, 2003 2:09 PM
|... not much help to the mid-80's owners, or non-Chicago bikes, but I did run into this list by doing a web search for
Schwinn serial numbers
There were more hits on that search ... didn't check them all.