|Help me date my bike||killermustard|
Dec 5, 2002 8:19 PM
|I bought an old steel Allez and am trying to figure out its age. It has the full Shimano 600 grouppo with the SIS index shifting. The brake levers are the old style with the cables flying out of the levers and over the handlebars rather than inside the bar tape.
Assuming the bike came stock like this, what model years could it be?
|Send flowers before you call...||wspokes|
Dec 6, 2002 4:23 AM
|That's an oldie but a goodie. What year? Well, SIS came out around 85-87 or so, can't remember the exact date. But it at least narrows it down. The non aero hoods predate aero brake hoods...? what years boys ?...my 1988 Shwinn Premis had aero hoods and SIS so it has to be before that date, I would say you are looking at 85 or 86. just a guess by process of narrowing it down. Hopefully some mind wizard out there remembers the exact dates and where they were at the time it happened!|
|Can't come any closer than mid- to late '80s||cory|
Dec 6, 2002 8:55 AM
|I have a similar one, with RSX components and aero levers...but I bought it used and I'm not sure what year it is, either. Around '88 to '90, according to the non-cyclist I bought it from. It's seven-speed indexed with downtube shifters (I switched to barcons because I had a pair around). Frame is lugged, but not very attractively--it looks like somebody cut them out with tin snips. Off the top of my head, I'd say yours may be a few years older, because I think 600 predated RSX. Still a nice bike to ride.|
|re: Help me date my bike||Walter|
Dec 6, 2002 5:19 PM
|In, I'm pretty sure, 1986 I bought at a discount a 600EX (non-SIS) gruppo for a Cannondale I rode thruout the remainder of college. The discount was due to the intro of the then new SIS groups. That group had non-aero levers though aero was available as I used the 600s on another bike and put a set of nifty DiaCompe Royal Gran Compes (aero) on the 'Dale.
I can't see that bike being any more recent than 86 if the levers are OEM. How many speeds? 6 and my guess is looking better, 7 and I might still be right or it may be 87-88. 8 and either the drivetrain or the levers are upgrades.
|re: Help me date my bike||wooglin|
Dec 6, 2002 7:04 PM
|Your memory is still intact. Shimano first produced SIS in 85.|
|if you could post a picture....||rufus|
Dec 7, 2002 2:27 PM
|it would help a lot.
anyway, my knowledge of specialized bikes only goes back to around 1987-88. i know that the 1987 bikes had aero brake levers, the cables under the handlebar tape, but i don't know if that was the first year for that or not. but here's few questions that may narrow it down some.
first, what color is it? is it 6 or 7 speed? does it have a rather large "allez" decal on the downtube, covering about 1/3 of the downtube, or fairly small?
is there a "specialized" decal on the top tube, or none at all? and if there is one, is it just a small, typeface type word, or a larger logo with fat, chunky lettering?
any lettering on the fork blades? any other distinguishing lettering or marks anywhere on the frame?
that's about all i can figure to ask. the movie american flyers came out in 1984 i think, and it featured red allez's, but these were the high end frames built, i guess, by 3rensho. sometime around 1985 or 86, the allez became more of a mass produced bike, probably made by giant with cheaper tubing. these later allez's had the larger decal, and later, the larger "specialized" on the toptube.
still pretty nice bikes. i had my sirrus in the shop last summer, and one of the younger mechanics took it out for a spin to verify the problem, and when he came back he said "that's a pretty nice ride, it rides real smooth". i was pretty pleased with his assessment, for a bike that cost $550 back in 1989.
|re: Help me date my bike||killermustard|
Dec 9, 2002 6:50 AM
|There's more detail about the bike in my post below. But to summarize: it was professionally repainted w/ no stickers anywhere. The specialized symbol appears on the crown of the fork and the top of the seatstays. It's a 6-speed w/ Saturae 20 rims. The posts to my Allez question below indicate that the frame was indeed made by 3Rensho.
From all your kind responses, I understand that 600 SIS was made beginning in 1985, and aero hoods were made in 1987. If that's accurate, then my bike must be 1985 or 1986
|that's probably as close as you can get||rufus|
Dec 9, 2002 10:52 AM
|i'm not so sure that you can definitely call it one of the 3rensho bikes, or whether it was one of the giant-made ones, but the year is probably as good an estimate as you can get, barring any further information that can definitely label it. .|
Dec 9, 2002 8:12 PM
|How would I distinguish the 3rensho frames from those made by others?
From the responses to my "Allez" post below, I received threads of various posts that had pictures of bikes the owners believed were 3rensho; they appeared identical to mine. Also, one person stated that, according to a Specialized rep, the forks on the 3rensho frames had flat crowns that were slightly sloped, like mine.
It would be cool if mine were a 3rensho frame, but if it's not, it still rides nice, and the workmanship is very good.
Dec 10, 2002 5:53 AM
|Without the decals I'm not sure you could. I think I posted the sloped crown thing, but I also think I stated that it was a little suspect.
FYI, mine has the decals, but does not have the Specialized "S" on the fork crowns.
Dec 12, 2002 8:53 PM
|I went back to the pictures that were posted below, and realized it was the picture you, Wooglin, posted of your fork...the side profile of the fork crown with the 3rensho sticker. The detail of the fork crown with the triangle looks identical to mine. But it's strange how yours doesn't have the Specialized "S" logo, but mine does.
It would be nice to get a definative answer, but that's not likely to happen. Anyway, I'm gonna stop beating this horse now.
BTW, I decided to modenize the Allez with some existing low-rent parts that I had. It now has Sora STI shifters (the original Shimano 600 brake hoods had disintergrated and were held together with electrical tape) and a Sora rear derailer. I replaced the Saturaes with a pair of Formula 16-spoke wheels, light tubes and kevlar-bead tires. The frame is red, with bright yellow cable housing. I kept the Shimano 600 crank, front derailer, and brakes. I'm probably going to swap the 600 rear derailer back in, once I clean it up.
I know that it's now a mongrel; and more than a little pimped out. But it's now really quick and weighs 22 pounds. I'm going to try it out on my next 50-mile club ride. It'll also be my backup race-day bike on crits once spring rolls around.
|Mongrel or not, if you ride it, its good. nm||wooglin|
Dec 13, 2002 5:30 AM
|without decals, i don't know how you would||rufus|
Dec 10, 2002 9:06 AM
|specialized went to a unicrown fork in 1989. i haven't seen a picture of an allez with a fork crown except those that 128 and wooglin have posted here, but in a 1988 bicycle guide they reviewed the sirrus, and it had a semi-sloping crown with an engraved "s" logo like you describe. i assume the allez had the same.
as i said, i'm not sure of the exact date the allez went from a fairly high-end frame built by 3rensho to a more production line frame probably built by giant, but i'd say it was around 1985 or 86. it may have been as late as 1987, i haven't heard the exact year. without a tubing sticker it's probably impossible to know.
maybe specialized could help you out, but i haven't been that impressed with their tech support over the 'net; it's basically post a question and hope they give you an answer. i don't think they were much help to wooglin about his allez.