|Who can tell me about the 'Nago Master Olympics?||sn69|
Nov 20, 2002 1:09 PM
|Did this series predate the Master XLT? If so, when did production end? ...Which leads to another question; what would the rear spacing be on a late series model?|
Nov 21, 2002 10:43 AM
|Its the same thing as the Master Light, which was before the Master X Light. Colnago couldn't use the "Olympic" name in the USA because of legal reasons. Rear spacing is 130mm and the tubing is Columbus Nivacrom Gilco.|
Nov 21, 2002 5:46 PM
|The best I can figure is that the last ones were produced around '95 or '96 (?). I was recently looking at a couple of them offered on eBay. ...Which brings up my next question, one that the seller (a UK LBS) hasn't answered yet. Both frames have 650 wheels and are marketed as tri bikes. Did 'Nago make tri specific geometry Olympics, or was the only tri characteristic the wheel size?
I've run serverl search engines to no avail.
Nov 21, 2002 6:27 PM
|I've checked back through the Todson catalogs for 95 and 97 as well as the Colnago catalog from 97. While there is nothing at all mentioned of any Master Olympic with 650 wheels, they do mention in all of the catalogs that the C40 did come in a tri specific geometry. While there were measurements across the entire range for the "regular" frames, it only said that the 650 frames were tri-specific.
One last check of the trialtir-usa website did produce a geometry chart for their current Dream-Tri frameset. I would assume that the geometry would be the same for a MXL-Tri, but you may want to email trialtir-usa if you want to double check.
Here's the link:
|Thank you again...||sn69|
Nov 21, 2002 6:49 PM
|...I stopped just short of emailing them last night. I tried emailing Ernesto and Co. directly, but it got bounced back.
The picutre on eBay has a paralax problem, and it's hard to tell the general HT and ST angles. What is compelling, however, is that the frame is listed by the British shop as a NOS 59, yet it's a "freueler," (sp?) with the extended seat and head tubes. I know those are currently offered in 60cm and larger. Perhaps they mismeasured (which I doubt coming from an LBS) or Ernesto's standards were different back then.
The thought of an older, semi-retro tri bike with lugs and chrome really appeals to some weird desire--I'd have to build it up with Campy Record/bar ends, of course...which would make it even that much more unique on the race circuit.
One more question--Tange tubing. You mentioned Nivachrom yet the LBS calls it Tange. This makes me wonder about them (along with the potential geo./measurement discrepancy). Did Colnago every build in Tange? I thought they always used Columbus pipes.
Thanks again for all the advice,
PS--If memory serves, Luke Van Lierde rode a C-40 tri during the 97 tri season.
Nov 21, 2002 7:33 PM
|Every Colnago tri frame that I've seen has always had the extended seat tube and head tube, so I wouldn't be concerned about that. The "freuler" type only applies to the regular 700 wheel framesets. Your description of a the tri-setup reminds me of a photo from Cyclesport of Tony Rominger back in the '95 Giro d'Italia riding a time trial on a C40 tri frame while wearing the pink jersey.
On the Tange tubing-I'm not sure if they had ever used the pipes for the framesets, but do recall seeing Tange stickers on Mapei-Clas team bicycles from the 93 and 94 seasons. I'll see what I can find out...
|Wow...I'm indebted to you.||sn69|
Nov 21, 2002 7:58 PM
|It's only something that piqued my curiosity. Please don't go to too much trouble.
In any case thank you, and should you find anything more, I look forward to learning about it.
|Wow...I'm indebted to you.||Duke249|
Nov 23, 2002 7:06 AM
|Okay, here's an advert from the April 95 issue of Cyclesport showing that the Master Olympic is the same thing as the Masterlight.
Regarding the Tange thing. I checked and found that during the 94 season, the Mapei Clas team would have Tange stickers on the fork blades, regardless of the frame being used (C40 vs Master). However, whenever the Master was used, they would ALWAYS have the Columbus sticker on the seat tube. Also, the other Colnago-sponsored teams from that era - Lampre, and WordPerfect/Novell also used the Master extensively and would always have Columbus on the fork blades. I'd guess that Tange was paying for a sponsorship, but their pipes were never used the construct the frames.
|Found another advert||Duke249|
Nov 23, 2002 8:08 AM
|Here's another advert for the Master Olympic, this time, with the never paint job. From the October 1997 issue of Cyclesport.|
Nov 22, 2002 4:55 AM
|i have only seen bikes with a 650c front wheel
that does not mean that they didn't make them with both wheels in a 650c size but i have yet to see one for road or track. all of these are pretty rare though.
|i believe they came out around '86 (maybe '85)||Spirito|
Nov 22, 2002 4:42 AM
|colnago were in some kind of hot water with regard to the use of the word "olympic". in the year that it was issued spacing would have been 126 or 127mm. respacing it to 130mm is no big deal and most competant mechanics can do it if it hasnt already been done.
there were time trial and pursuit (track) versions of the master known as the "Crono".
from then on it was known as the master and was in their '88 catalogue but had been selling like this from at least '87. i had an '89/'90 master "piu" which was built a little beefier and also featured the first year of the straight fork blades.
didn't follow the master's series much after that but remember the master "light" around '92/'93 and the master "XLT" around '96.
about a year or so ago i saw an example of an "olympic" with super record group throughout and it was purported to be original. i chatted with its owner for a little and all that he had said of its vintage seemed to be consistent with what i had heard.
they are nice frames and most are finished well (can vary) and had lots of nice details, their paint and decals were ok to good. mine rode very well and responded well to sprinting out of the saddle but was a little sluggish to turn in than i would have liked, although once keeled over it did corner well. most surprisingly it did seem to climb better than its weight would suggest.
i rate it as one of the nicer frames overall i have ridden - perhaps not the nicest of that era although its close. the earlier lattice painted ones and the later current style paint schemes are either love or hate 'em. on a plus side it did seem that it was built to last and they hold their value well.
Nov 22, 2002 5:59 AM
|After looking at the ebay auction that the original poster is interested in, the frameset he's looking at is from the mid-90's and not the mid to late 80's as you've suggested.
One thing that I've learned from reading lotsa Euro mags, and a recent visit to the Derosa factory last month: there are many, many models, variants and different paint schemes out there that we've never seen. For example, I'd never known that the "Olympic" moniker had been used in the mid-80's.
As I had known, the "Master" was the original in the series, as are displayed in the links you've provided. After the Master came the "Master Piu" in the late 80's and ran through either 92 or 93. After the Master Piu was the "Master Olympic/Master Light". Again, it was the same frameset that had dual names due to the legal issues over the "Olympic" name that we've both mentioned. After looking through old issues of Cycling Plus, Cycle Sport and Cycling Weekly, the "Olympic" name was used through at least 1995. It was identical-same pipes, same geometry, same paint. The only difference was the name on the top tube. After the Master Light, The Master X-Lite was released in 1998. The difference was the switch from Columbus tubing to Dedaccai tubing and a few new paint schemes.
|very true ....||Spirito|
Nov 22, 2002 8:06 PM
|checked some searches and found olympics in droves well past what the time or that name ran for the US.
funny how colnago can drop olympic for the US but campy have to forego Daytona for the whole world and change to Centaur which keeps me thinking its a MTB series.
cool point that the current MXL's use Dedaccai - never known that.
|Let's see if this works||Walter|
Nov 22, 2002 12:48 PM
|If it loads is a less than perfect picture of my 'nago Master (Light?). I've been curious as to it's vintage since I bought it nos off eBay.
Solid color (red) with only the right chainstay chromed like the late 80s one Spirito linked to but with straight forks and internal routing for the rear brake cable.
I gather it to be a Master Light or possibly Olympic?
Yes, Spirito the pic is old, she currently has a sweet white saddle. :-) If it loads I'll put a better pic up.
|very cool walter ....||Spirito|
Nov 22, 2002 8:11 PM
|a color/chrome scheme i havent seen for the master series. got any close ups?
|Just for fun...Master Piu||Duke249|
Nov 23, 2002 5:16 AM
|How about this one? From Bicisport, an early version of the Ariostea paint...
(BTW...I got a new scanner yesterday. Much fun!)
|Sorry for the delay||sn69|
Nov 23, 2002 10:29 AM
|I was out of town the past two days. I received a response from the LBS in UK, and they claim to have measured the frame to have a 76 STA and a 72 HTA. That makes a compelling argument.
You folks have provided a helluva lot of info to digest. Thanks in advance...I'll start reading through it all.
|By the way, Walter||sn69|
Nov 23, 2002 5:33 PM
|You have great taste in shirts. I went there.
|2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar||Walter|
Nov 24, 2002 4:32 PM
|...... You know the rest sn69 but for the uninformed....
i All for the Gators stand up and holler!
Walter MA (History) 1991
PS for Spirito: I just took some new pics. Will have up in the next few days.
|Moment of silence for Mr. 2Bits.||sn69|
Nov 24, 2002 5:55 PM
|We were there at the same time, you and I. Journalism (Dec, 92). Shoulda been 91, but the two years I spent RAing in Murphree across from the Porpose did baaaaad things to my academic motivation.
I haven't been back since, tragically. It's my understanding that Hume Hall was demo'ed.