|Motobecane grand jubilee||moschika|
Oct 26, 2002 10:04 PM
|i just pick-up one of these and trying to figure out the date and any other info about it's history.
it's lugged, painted silver with red pin stripes and some gold outline around the lugges. it has a stronglight crank, no f.der., shimano 600 rear, can't make out any markings on the hubs but they say "sunshine" on the QR, weiman 610 branks.
it's got the motobecane logo on the fork blades, seat tube and original looking head badge.
any thoughts, opinions, experience, resources on this bike would be greatly appreciated.
|re: Motobecane grand jubilee||Walter|
Oct 27, 2002 4:07 AM
|G. Jubile was a good bike. Probably #3 or 4 up from the entry level Nomade in the late 1970s. Should be a Vitus frameset and probably weighs 23-24lbs. All very solid stuff for a bike that could easily have been seen as a serious rider in its heyday. Shimano 600 sounds right though most Motos I've seen or recall were SunTour equipped until you got to the top liners that were Campy N. Record. Stronglight cranks and Weinman brakes sound right too. Moto used those even when they used Campy derailleurs.
Don't know about the Sunshine hubs. A pretty mundane, though decent I've got a fixed gear set, Asian hubset. I'd have expected Maillard or Normandy. With the missing fr. der. your bike sounds as if it's had a long life so the wheels may not be original, or somebody just swapped skewers for some reason.
From bottom to top as I recall the Moto lineup was something like this. (all bikes may not have been produced during the same year and I wouldn't be shocked if I left some out)
I'm sure others will pick up my omissions this is just from memory as I was a Moto owner durin the 70s.
Oct 27, 2002 4:26 AM
|I left out a Mirage variant called the "Mirage Sport" which should be in with the other Mirages and more importantly the "Grand Record" from the mid-70s which should be near or at the top. I'm pretty sure ther was no 1 year when all of these names appeared in the lineup together.
A clean Jubilee went for $149 on eBay not long ago "Buy it Now" or might have gotten a bit more (or maybe not). I remember the Jubilee from around '77 with a beautiful metallic gold paint.
|re: Motobecane grand jubilee||moschika|
Oct 27, 2002 6:39 AM
|it does have suntour shifters but they are on the stem, which is stamped "technomic"
the bottom of the fork and crown lugges are chromed unlike the other lugges.
with a bit of cleaning and new parts it sounds like this would be a really good fixie for around town. i was hoping to find something like this that didn't weight a ton like a scwhinn varsity.
what kind of tubing was used? what do you think i should do first after i take it apart? it's very dirty and the chain and/or bb feels all gummed up.
|re: Motobecane grand jubilee||Walter|
Oct 27, 2002 1:09 PM
|Surprised shifters are on the stem as Jubilees should have d/t shifters. The Technomic is a neat stem and I'd guess it isn't original either. They're neat b/c they have extra long quills and allow for getting the bars up high if you so desire.
Agree about the fixie potential esp. as your bike is not in original shape already. Chuck the chain. $9-10 gets you a new one and eliminates a host of potential problems. The BB is problematic. Older Motos use French threading so if the bearing races are all scored up they're difficult to replace cheaply. Fortunately, the races don't score all that easily so in all liklihood a new set of bearings and grease and you're ready to go. By the 1980s Moto started using English threading on their bikes made for export. In that case I'd consider the Shimano "Universal" BB. $20> in the various catalogs.
In my experience a Jubilee should have Vitus brand tubing and be reasonably light though a surviving sticker would give the definitive answer. It's not until you get to the "Champion" and "Record" models did you find Reynolds and sometimes Columbus tubing.
|Watch the BB threading..... It's probably Swiss||Dave Hickey|
Oct 27, 2002 3:15 PM
|Most Moto's had Swiss threaded BB. The basic difference between Swiss and French is the drive side threads are opposite threaded. French threads are threaded in the same direction as Italian while, Swiss threads are threaded the same direction as English. Eitherway, it very difficult to replace.|
|seat post diameter||moschika|
Oct 27, 2002 5:52 PM
|one other thing about this bike is that it didn't have a seat or seat post. what size would i need to get?
it definitely had different parts. from what i'm getting about this bike i don't think it would have had those foam-like grip stuff over the drop bars.
|seat post diameter||M_Currie|
Oct 29, 2002 10:36 PM
|It's too dark, cold and late tonight, but I'll try to get a seat post measurement off my wife's bike tomorrow and post back.|
|seat post diameter update||M_Currie|
Oct 30, 2002 7:14 AM
|I get 26.2 as the seatpost diameter on this one. I couldn't find a metric vernier caliper, though, and there's a slight chance that it's more like 26.4. It is definitely no smaller than 26.2. If possible, I'd try to find a shop that will let you try sizes, just to be sure.|
|thanks for checking||moschika|
Oct 30, 2002 10:20 PM
|i think i'll take a rought measurement and see if the LBS will let me try a couple sizes to see if it fits. i may even take the bike down there for the bb work and while it's there have check the seat post size.|
|My all-time favorite bike, at least until the Atlantis||cory|
Oct 28, 2002 8:50 AM
|I bought one of those from a salvage place (fire in a bike shop) for $150 sometime in the '80s--full Campy, Brooks saddle, no damage I ever found. Rode it for about 10 years until I had a bad crash on it and bent several tubes. Until I got my Atlantis a couple of years ago, it was my all-time favorite bike. The tubing was something called "Columbus Inexternal," I think, supposedly butted EXTERNALLY rather than invisibly inside the tubes. If so, I couldn't see it, but why would they lie? As a couple of other posters have said, it had weird threading and sizes--the stem, for instance, was 22.0mm instead of the then-standard 22.2. Seatpost I think was 25.4, but I'm not sure of that. BB was French threaded, but I never had to replace it so that wasn't a problem. Hubs were Maillard, Helicomatic in the back. Crankset (can't remember the brand--Nerval or something similar?) used an odd bolt circle and I was never able to find replacement rings for it. This was all at a time when Japanese bikes were taking over the world and French bikes were disappearing from the U.S., and it was really hard to find parts. I loved it, did my first century and several other epic rides and tours on it. If I hadn't crashed it to death, I'm sure I'd still be riding it.|
|re: My 1982 Motobecane grand jubilee||SteveS|
Oct 28, 2002 10:23 AM
|I had a 1982 or 1983 Grand Jubilee and it was a great riding bike, rode like a Cadillac and was ideal for a tour I made in Britain and Scotland. That made me a bike fanatic still at 17 years later.
My frame was Vitus 171 which was a straight single seamless chrome molybdenum tubing. Required a 25.4 stem, shifters were Simplex retrofriction mounted on the downtube, Nervar crankset (English threaded I believe, since I replaced it easily with a Sugino triple), hubs were Maillard originally I think, with sorry Mafac center pull brakes. Obviously, your frame is not original, but that is no sweat. Scrounge for decent replacement parts.
I liked my Grand Jubilee so much that about 6 years after I sold it, I tried to buy one off a guy riding it during a century. The French built great touring bikes.
|so how much $ to put into it?||moschika|
Oct 28, 2002 5:32 PM
|since i got this bike for $10, it definitely needs some parts and work. i'm thinking of ditching the gears but looks like i might need wheels, at least a new rear, seat post and seat, chain, and other odds and ends. it could also use new paint, it's pretty scratched up.
how much is it worth putting into? there's a nice set of dura ace track hubs on ebay. is it worth getting something like that and getting new wheels laced up? that adds up fast. just trying to figure out how much would be too much before it's not worth it for this bike.
|so how much $ to put into it?||SteveS|
Oct 29, 2002 10:10 AM
|You can go to cyclesdeoro.com and then into their Classic Rendezvous section to sell what people are offering used bikes for, price wise. That gives you a range if your concern is re-sale, however, if the frame is road-worthy and you are not concerned with re-sale, then you can look for close-out or second hand sales which are readily available. In the end, you can build the bike fairly cheaply compared to a new bike, but probably not cheaper than buying used.
A few hundred dollars is not a big investement. Think of it as refurbishing a classic and enjoy the build.
|Another version here||M_Currie|
Oct 29, 2002 10:32 PM
|My wife has a Grand Jubilé that she bought new around 1975. It's Reynolds 531, with Stronglight cranks, and Huret Jubilee derailleurs. I think this one is French threaded, but wouldn't bet my life on it. The pedal threads are English, but that doesn't tell us much. |
Judging from the other posts, it seems the model went through a number of different changes. As I understand the hierarchy of Motobecanes at the time, this was about the third down from the top. Above it was the Grand Record, and above that, Le Champion, which was sold as a frame.
I've ridden this one a little, and it's a pretty comfortable, stable ride, relatively light for its age (about 23 lbs with leather saddle, center pull brakes, 27 inch clinchers, etc. Hers is dark red with black and gold trim, very nice.
Nov 11, 2002 7:59 PM
|Here's what ours looks like.|| |