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Allez, built(30 posts)
Jun 30, 2002 1:05 PM
|Here's the Allez built up. The ride is, in a word, sublime. Quick steering without being twitchy, smooth as silk on uneven pavement, and very stable in the descent (at least up to 40mph). Maybe just the slightest hint of sluggishness on the climbs, but nothing new wheels wouldn't put right.
The build is mostly off my old bike, which itself was a mutt:
Stem and bars: Cinelli
Headset: Tange (came with the frame)
Seatpost: Campy Super Record (NOS)
Seat: Selle Italia Turbomatic
Wheels: 36h Mavic MA40s on Campy Tipos
Freewheel: Sachs 6-speed 21-13
Derailleurs: Campy NR with friction levers
Cranks: Campy NR 3-arm -- 51-42
BB: Campy Centaur (new)
Brakes (calipers and levers): Shimano 105
Chain: Who knows?
Weight is about 23.5. Good enough for me.
Jun 30, 2002 1:18 PM
|i like the "i do lots miles water bottle's".
when's the frame from?
oh - renaissance have new hoods for the 105 for $3. shipping will be something stupid as its from eindhoven but i thought id mention it as eventually those hoods get sticky and soft like chewingum on a hot pavement. i have a set and i had to throw the hoods away and i havent been able to find hoods to fit anywhere locally.
new bottom bracket - old cranks. fit well? if so that cool as ive opted for modern cranks to avoid any chainline hassle's. 3 arm campy is still undervalued in my opinion but ive seen them appreciate recently.
well done !!
Jun 30, 2002 6:00 PM
|Thanks. Frame could date anywhere from the mid 80s to mid 90s. There was a thread on it a while back, and I haven't got any new info to add. As for the cranks appreciating, I don't know if that's good news or bad. On the positive side, the chain rings won't last forever and I haven't seen any in 10 years, but on the negative side they'll get too rich for my blood.
And on the brake hoods, they're getting kind of nasty so I've been thinking about replacing them. Thanks for the lead.
Oh yeah, no problems with the new BB/old cranks. But I've only got about 30 miles on it.
|me likes it||colker|
Jul 1, 2002 4:15 AM
|that's a bike to take to groomed single tarck and fireroads! |
btw... love those black and yellow turbos.
|me likes it||wooglin|
Jul 1, 2002 7:05 AM
|And get it dirty?!?|
|yeah...dirty and sweet.||colker|
Jul 1, 2002 7:19 AM
|what feels slightly sluggish on the road will be resilient and sweet in the dirt. i like feeling the taste of trails on the roadbike.|
|hub-cap diamond-star halo. get it on. -T.Rex....nm||128|
Jul 1, 2002 7:43 AM
|Allez mon frere! great work. Ready for a ride??||128|
Jul 1, 2002 7:39 AM
|Did you chooses yellow cable housing to match the original color scheme?
It appears you opted against padded bar tape? Is that a 'retro-real' choice? I really like the padded tape on my bike and the way the lbs guy ran the cables: under the tape, in front of the stem, and along the backside of the bars, gives a little more surface area for the hands to rest on.
I don't know if that's a great way to wrap it but it seems to work well...??
Oh, and ah, one more thing: The headset. where does it say Tange? Is that definitely an aftermarket piece or original, as you said it came with it. Just trying to figure out the corrolary on mine and the vintage of these two bikes. Mine has a specialized stamp on the the big nut around the stem above the top-cup. Is that nut part of the headset assembly
ps- Check out the pic I posted below of the Allez I've been yappin about! What a great bicycle....Really does handle well as you mentioned and as I'm discovering as I get more capable on the thing.
|Allez mon frere! great work. Ready for a ride??||wooglin|
Jul 1, 2002 9:46 AM
|Cable housing (and bar tape) were on the other bike. I just switched the whole cockpit over wholesale. Rear brake housing is a bit short, but I like the yellow and I've got some more so I'll get to that shortly. The Benotto bar tape is what I've always used. Tried cork ribbon once and hated it.
Headset came with the frame. Says Tange on either the lock nut or cup (or both). The lock nut (that's the one on top) is alloy, which ticked me off as I tried to tighten it with a big old 12" adjustable cresent.
Are those World Champion stripes I see on your seat tube?
|World Champion Stripes? I don't know. What are they?||128|
Jul 1, 2002 10:22 AM
|What didn't you like about cork tape? Couldn't feel the road as well? I don't wear gloves as I said (but should as a safety precaution)so maybe I don't percieve the same lack of 'road feel.'
I hope you didn't do any damage with that big old wrench! :)
|World Champion Stripes? I don't know. What are they?||wooglin|
Jul 1, 2002 10:48 AM
|The two bands around your seat tube. What color are they?
I always wear gloves. Gotsta with Benotto.
|quite possobly my most extravagant and expensive buy...||Spirito|
Jul 1, 2002 11:27 AM
|i bought a set of world champion foils and to date have them still sitting for that right frame to put on.
$9 - what was i thinking. then ill have to clear coat them as they are foils and not adhesive decals. sheesh !!
|Orange and yellow at least. Maybe there's a blue or black there||128|
Jul 1, 2002 11:36 AM
|I'll have to check tonight. Was trying to enlarge it w/photoshop but no luck. And wouldn't you know it, the camera I borrowed ran out of juice just b/f I could take more and detailed pics....This bike pic was the last one it had in it!
So what are champion stripes anyway? Some rider's colors?
There seems to be a similar band around the headtube....
|Nope. If Spirito's pic are the colors, I don't have all those||128|
Jul 1, 2002 12:02 PM
I don't know the significance of them but they sure are....champion-like!
|Nope. If Spirito's pic are the colors, I don't have all those||wooglin|
Jul 1, 2002 12:06 PM
|Its the rainbow jersey. You win the Worlds, and you get to wear a jersey with those stripes around your chest the following year (and around your sleeve thereafter).
And the bike manufacturer gets to put them on his/her frames.
|Love it! Thanks for the info. nm||128|
Jul 1, 2002 12:13 PM
|if im correct - same colors as the olympic rings NM||Spirito|
Jul 1, 2002 12:31 PM
|that allez is pre-1988||rufus|
Jul 6, 2002 1:47 PM
|that's what the frame looked like up til that point, with the crowned fork and the small "allez" decal. in 1988, they added a "specialized" decal to the top tube, and the "allez" decal was bigger. the last lugged steel allez was built in 1989, and had a unicrown fork.
i'm not sure of the exact year of the frame, or when they started building in taiwan, as that's as far back as i go. my one and only road bike is a 1989 sirrus, which i believe is the same frame/fork as the allez, just with the cheaper 105 group. nice bike.
|a little clarification.||rufus|
Jul 7, 2002 12:09 PM
|specialized did re-introduce a lugged steel allez in 1993, but your frame is obviously not that one, but one of the early '80's ones.|
|a little clarification.||wooglin|
Jul 10, 2002 11:57 AM
|Thanks for the info Rufus. Sorry to be a little late replying.
Why do you say its "obviously" not the 1990s reintroduction frame?
|lugs, stays, fork, decals||rufus|
Jul 10, 2002 5:19 PM
|they used a new set of lugs, rather attractive, with long points and deep scallops. also, a fastback seatstay arrangement, which yours doesn't have. the fork crown was sloping and looked as if it plugged into the blades, and didn't have the painted cutout on the sides.
also, that "allez" decal is from the earlier bikes. the 90's allez's had a large "specialized" decal on the downtube, and an "allez" decal of the same font on the top tube.
while everything i heard said that the 90's allez's were good steel bikes, and a bit lighter, i would rather have one like yours. they have a bit of an aura, a history to them. even though they were, they don't scream "mass produced bike" like the later ones did.
hopefully this pic i scanned will post properly, and you can see for yourself.
Jul 10, 2002 7:03 PM
|The tubing sticker is different too. That looks like a Tange-built Direct Drive sticker on the 90s version, and there's none at all on the fork.
Thanks alot. I've gotten much anecdotal stuff, but yours is the first really hard data on when this frame was made. I owe you a beer.
|yes, that's tange direct drive steel. also...||rufus|
Jul 11, 2002 7:51 AM
|aluminum fork, vertical rear dropouts, 130mm rear spacing.
sam adams golden pilsner will do nicely!
|Sorry. This will have to do:||wooglin|
Jul 11, 2002 9:55 AM
|Sorry. no older catalog.||rufus|
Jul 12, 2002 8:44 AM
|1989 was the year i decided to get a bike to try to get in shape. that's the earliest year i have a catalog from.
perhaps you could email specialized for some help? or have you tried that already?
|Yeah, I did that.||wooglin|
Jul 12, 2002 9:52 AM
|There's an earlier thread on this relating that part.
I do appreciate your input, though. Hope you liked the beer.
|here's the 1989 allez...||rufus|
Jul 10, 2002 5:37 PM
|and, just for kicks, my 1989 sirrus, my first and only road bike.|
|For comparison, this Allez is said to be an '87.||128|
Jul 12, 2002 10:11 AM
|I should have some more detailed pics soon.
Thanks for the info. and pics Rufus. Great stuff.
Wooglin, wasn't there a bike/frame called Rensho?? A cyclist recently mentioned that she once had a Rensho bike. Isn't that what one of your frame stickers says?
|For comparison, this Allez is said to be an '87.||rufus|
Jul 12, 2002 2:05 PM
|yes, there was a japanese builder/company named 3rensho. i don't know much about their bikes, but from what little i read, they were a pretty good builder. from what wooglin has seemed to figure out on his own, they may have built his allez for specialized.
like i said, i only know specialized bikes up until 1988. anytime before that, i can't say specifically what year they may have been made. wooglin's, or yours even, could be from any year prior to 1988 for all i know. i'm not sure of the first year the allez was made, probably around 1981 or so.
|oh, and it was probably built by giant.||rufus|
Jul 12, 2002 2:14 PM
|i know that during this time, when specialized moved their production from japan to taiwan(not sure of the exact year, but sometime between wooglin's and your allez), giant was the company who built most of their bikes. so i think it's a fairly good bet that your allez was built by giant.
in 1990 or 91, giant came out with a road bike with a 105 group that was almost a duplicate of the specialized sirrus, which further cemented this belief for me.