|To paint or not to paint||tmguy|
Jun 27, 2002 12:06 PM
|The bike is a '87 3Rensho Katana with lots of chrome and an okay 80's red on white fade. I am the original owner. The paint was not too great to begin with and is chipped and scratched in places with some minor surface corrosion on the BB. I would like to repaint it in light blue which was the "team" color. I have a full set of the oriignal decals and the paint job would be done by Davidson here in Seattle.
Should I do it?
|Why not?||Lone Gunman|
Jun 27, 2002 1:50 PM
|I look at it this way. The bike is probably near and dear to your heart and you think it needs spiffed up. The biggest hurdle is getting the decals. Since you got that nailed and you have a reputable painter get it over with.
Do not have it painted if it is your beater bike or you plan to sell. If you see it as an equal to your best bike or your best retro, paint.
|Sure ...||Humma Hah|
Jun 27, 2002 2:29 PM
|... I repainted the cruiser when it was about four years old, a crappy self-inflicted job. Fortunately, that allowed me to have a first-rate pro powdercoat done on it last year, with no worries that I was in any way devaluing it. When I bought it, the only color choices were red and green, and I hated red less. I wanted silver. Now I have silver.
My newly acquired '74 Paramount has good original paint that I'll touch up. Original paint is valued by collectors, but they'll only go after flawless or nearly flawless bikes, and few are interested in bikes built after the '70s.
If you consider your present paint to be poor, it probably would not be a worthy collectable anyway. So why not turn it into something you like better?
Invest in clearcoat when the job is done. Very much worthwhile.
|re: To paint or not to paint||Walter|
Jun 27, 2002 7:03 PM
|I have been intrigued with 80s 3Renshos for awhile now. I really like the light blue color and if you've got a decal set I think you'll come out ahead of the game.
What's the components? On another board a guy was getting ready to build up a mid80s Rensho with a NOS SunTour Superbe gruppo. That'd be a real fine ride.
|just to balance the arguement.....||Spirito|
Jun 27, 2002 7:24 PM
|original paint and decals no matter if worn or scratched is more important to collectors and sells for higher.
the highest selling bike on ebay to date was an early peugeot that was so imperfect and scratched in its paint it was almost absurd. $7100.
same with classic cars. a buyer knows that it hasn't been fixed or altered and can see the condition of the bike - when paint is new who knows what it may have been used for and how much. i would leave as is and just touch it up where needed and let the history and patina shine through. the bike will still ride the same.
a mseum paintjob doesn't always make it prettier.
if you want a baby blue 3resnho you can buy one for less than $500 new. there is a thread lower down which has pics and a link to the store.
of course if you are just painting it for yourself and you want a different color and a new appearance - paint it. allow good money for a good job though - nothing worse than a cheap paint job.
|No offense, but||OperaLover|
Jun 27, 2002 8:10 PM
|A 3Rensho brand new is not less than $500, Yellow Jersey is selling the last remaining Katanas for $1225, with none in 54cm (with the same fade paint job). Brand new it was 80,000 yen. It was built for Yoshi Konno himself, yet sold to me because they mixed up the paint on the frame I odered.
I went for red because I was living in Japan and everyone in the club had blue. As the only American I thought I should try to be a little diferent.
Since I will never sell it, it sounds like I should repaint it and cherish it for the wonderful memories it embodies.
3Rensho is alive and well in Japan. The builder Makino is still brazing the frames and sells his own frame as well.
Thanks for everyone's thoughts! I will post pics when its done (still need approval from my dear wife. Although she did sign off on my new Pinarello.)
tmguy a.k.a OperaLover
|No offense either ... but check again....||Spirito|
Jun 27, 2002 8:39 PM
they have the blue - white faded frames (ishiwata tubing) for $495 or $395 if you but it built upo from them.
check their specials they are listed there.
|There's Renshos and then there're Renshos||Walter|
Jun 28, 2002 3:26 AM
|The original builder (Konno) was paralyzed in a car accident sometime in the 80s. Leftover frames built by him are quite expensive. New 3Renshos are no doubt high quality but they're the ones you can get for +/- $500.|
|Not all created equal.||OperaLover|
Jun 29, 2002 6:23 AM
|The specials are not Katanas. The finish workand frome components including hand filing, super-end dropouts, fast back stays and full chrome plating were not available on the lower end frames.
Konno-san was paralyzed in an accident, but he was never a builder in the true sense; designer, innovator and driving force behind 3Rensho, but he did not braze the frames. All brazing done by Masahiko Makino and his assistants.
Here is a link to the 3Rensho site with links to Makino.
|i dont doubt that for a second||Spirito|
Jun 30, 2002 6:37 AM
|i was merely pointing out that for less than twice the cost of a good paintjob and decals you could get a pretty good frame new (although not a congnescenti model) to ride and not think twice about. leaving the original intact until you know for sure whether its a restoration candidate and a keeper for life. kind of building a stable or family ethic. cheaper frame for miles and bad wheather - nice frame for when it suits or for keeping in its original form.
if my merckx wasnt right now on a ups truck i would jump all over the katana.s as im sure its a great frame although not by the hands of the master.
|I'll try to post some pics||tmguy|
Jul 1, 2002 7:09 AM
Let you all give your imput on whether I should repaint the old girl. 15 years, thousands of miles, shipped trans-Pacific 5 times, cross-country twice and most recently, (I hate to say it), but driven into the garage! OUCH! No frame damage! Steel is real!)
I will re-build with the mostly orignal 7400/7401 series Dura Ace. Although converted to 8-speed (7402) in mid-90's. The seven speed shifters finally wore out and I thought to upgrade. Still have the original 7400 rr der., threaded hubs (OPEN 4 CD rims), and freewheel. I would love to find some NOS 7401 brake levers to replace the scraped ones I have.
|i think both rivendell and renaissance have the levers||Spirito|
Jul 1, 2002 2:50 PM
|renaissance $29 + shipping from europe
rivendell $85 ($90 non-member) + $7 shipping
choice of black or gum hoods.
these are both the 7400 series non-aero. id opt for the dura-ace EX from renaissance - older style with drilled levers - gum hoods - very sweet. 205 grams a pair :-) (i weighed mine). look ubder their NOS retro section and then under brakes.
7401 if i am correct is their aero lever set - they should be around.