|C-Record or Record Crankset - Which is more beautiful?||unchained|
May 25, 2002 9:26 AM
|Can anyone tell me without that built in retro-grouch bias?
I have the choice of placing either on a newer titanium frame that will be filled out with:
-Zipp carbon rims with Campy hubs
-9speed Record Ti Derailleurs
-Campy carbon post and brake levers
-maybe Cobalto brakes
-Cinelli XA quill stem
-Cinelli old style bars
-Rolls Ti saddle
What would you do in this case?
|Also Cobalto vs modern Record Calipers||unchained|
May 25, 2002 9:30 AM
|The Cobalto calipers weigh in at approx. 320gms per pair, but would they look silly on a newer bike?
|modern with the logo's removed...Nm||Spirito|
May 25, 2002 12:03 PM
|c-record baby....no competetition||Spirito|
May 25, 2002 12:02 PM
|psssstt.....where did you get the new c-rec cranks
ya killin me...im dying here.....but then again i dont want to spend the $300+ for a new set either which is what i was last quoted.....
frinds for life if you at least hint ;-)
|A true story. Believe it or not.||unchained|
May 25, 2002 1:26 PM
|Where did they come from? Well it wasn't like winning the lottery, but it was a once in a lifetime component find.
A bike shop that carries current high-end stuff had a complete C-Record Group. Not sure where they got it from, but obviously their weight-wennie, carbonic, 10speed, (Shimano?) clientel was not interested in it. Must be too slow that old Campy stuff!
The Owner asked me to make him an offer on it. I was going to offer $700 or so, but thought it would be better to ask him what he wanted. He wanted $400 for the complete group including the Cobalto Brakeset which is in a C-Record labeled box. Sold the pedal set on eBay for $175, and the Syncro Shifters for $50 (the groupo also has the Retro-Friction Shifters!), so the remainder of the group has cost $200 or so.
Can direct order a Tommasini Ti with steel Genius fork for $1500 or so, including shipping. Using the old Campy Omega Wheelset that has been gathering dust, add a few odds n ends, budda-bing, budda-bang, a top-flight exotic Italian Ti bike for around $2000.
The easiest place to find C-Record now is on eBay. Either buy a complete low-milage bike and part out what you do not want, or look for the components individually. C-Record has been selling for less than it used to (perhaps because people have been brainwashed into believing they need 10 speeds and Campy has been restricting their selection of 9 and 8 speed parts). A NIB Cobalto Brakeset (with levers, but no cables) recently sold for $150. The Cranksets go for $175, sometimes less, depending on length, but much less used. Considering that new ring sets sell for $100 or so, the prices are reasonable.
Check out this carbon Colnago with Delta Brakes and what appear to be C-Record Cranks! (from Campyonly.com). Mixing different vintages need not be taboo.
|A true story. Believe it or not.||gtx|
May 25, 2002 1:48 PM
|good story. I'd use the C Record cranks if you are a heavier rider--they're probably the toughest road cranks ever built. Up til recently you'd still see them on some pros tt bikes--though maybe because the new Record cranks don't come in longer sizes. But if you're lighter and want less weight (and possibly a lower q factor) go with the newer cranks. Regarding the brakes, I really think the dual pivot design is great. I never really liked the older Record brakes--in the 80s, when the rest of my bike was Record, I had the Modolo brakes, which seemed cooler and more powerful. My $.02.|
|wow..cool find...i have been lucky like that as well...||Spirito|
May 25, 2002 2:42 PM
|but for older campy parts which i didn't plan on using so i sold them off. im sure you would get more the cobalto's than $150 especially as they are new and in box with levers.
hunting on ebay for the cranks but have been taking it easy as i have a bit of time. will also know in a few days whether i am to be the owner of 2 sets of c-record high flange road hubs in the century finish - if it coms thru it will be a lottery and the price ill get for selling one set will apy for my set which i will use so its not like im out of c-record luck... fingers crossed.
i was to use delta brakes on my last modern bike but as the cable stops for the ergo system were on the headtube it meant that i wouldnt be able to turn without hitting them and getting caught up in cables.....
i know of a deRosa with full c-record in apparently mint condition but its a little far from me and the owner doesn't have pics and isnt very computer savvy. id hate to go out and check it out to only not reach an agreement but am sytill thinking about it for using the parts i am after and selling the rest.
thanks for sharing your find - its good to hear stories where great buys are still around ;-)
|unchained where do you direct order a Tommasini from? nt||53x12|
May 28, 2002 10:39 AM
May 28, 2002 11:59 AM
|Tommasini will not ship direct to the US, or to any other country where they have a distributor.
If you are in the USA, your best bet would probably be contacting wmlewisimports.com. If you call you will speak with Bill Lewis himself. The US dealer network for Tommasini is pretty much gone now, he may sell direct, in which case the price might be similar to buying from Tommasini. He has the Tecno Nemo in stock. Last time he had the Tecno, they were selling for $900.
For reference, a Sintesi frame and "Air" fork is 762.50 euros plus 97 euros for shipping and insurance. That is almost exactly $800USD. Expect to pay 4% or so duty. The price @Coloradocylist for a Sintesi ($1000) is not bad in that it includes the extra charge paint scheme. The Tecno Nemo costs slightly more euros than the Sintesi.
|re: C-Record or Record Crankset - Which is more beautiful?||Walter|
May 25, 2002 2:10 PM
|I agree with GTX in re the brake choice. I use modern Records on an otherwise S. Record Basso and feel it to be one of the better upgrade decisions I've made.
I'm familiar with SR and NR Campy and also with the modern stuff, will a CR Campy crankset be happy with the 9spd chain? If yes go with the CR. It's distinctive, relatively rare and you already have it on hand.
|Beauty or function?||boneman|
May 27, 2002 12:31 AM
|I have and currently use both crank sets. More beautiful? For me, the C-Record. Also, the self extracting design is an extremely nice touch. I actually have an extra set of NOS self-extracting bolts along with the pin wrench need for their removal. I use the C Record on a 9 speed DA setup. Maybe sacrilege but functionally, it works with newer chain rings. FWIW, after about 5 years I replaced the CRecord BB and currently use the Phil BRS10 which is the correct model for the C Record. I recommend these BB's highly. |
The newer 10spd Record crank has more clearance along its arms for me as I find that at times, I rub the crank arms of the C Record. I ride about 8 months of the year with some sort of shoe cover which just exacerbates the problem. Otherwise not an issue but just something to note.
Given your proposed setup, I would opt to use the C Record crank. No use in keeping it as a museum piece and it's only an ounce or so heavier.